Age of Conan

Originally posted by eugam

Originally posted by Ascension08

"Powerpoints"? Wow, everyone's hopping on the Xbox Achievements/Tome of Knowledge/Deeds train now. At least that's what I gathered from the description, of course they put their little twist on it.

 Why always so negative ?

 

In any other game the players beg the devs on their knees to introduce an open system like EQ1 has. Those who dont know, EQ1 has basically an endless feats system to progress in.

 

Now AoC tries something like that and its bad again ?

Dude everything must be completely and absolutely new and innovative.  If the next MMO doesn't release on quantum computers I am not playing it.

The problem AoC has which is not entirely evident from this.  Is that they promoted themselves as very innovative.  Then did not put in 50% of the stuff they claimed was innovative.  Then add in little detail fun things like this that are very derivative.

It pisses people off when little things get added over the big things.  That might not be rational what with time budgeting and separate teams.  But it still pisses them off so they seize on these things because they seem hypocritical to axe the big promoted innovative features and release the small derivative things and then claim the game is the greatest thing ever.

Basically Funcom is just putting out a huge list if features and saying they all F***ING RULE.  Rather than actually addressing people's valid concerns. they are throwing out marketing BS.  So they tear down every little bit of weakness in the Funcom facade.  And since there is so much BS its easy to peel the facade away.

Funcom claims to be innovative?  Then why are seiges broken but your Achievement rip-off is in? hmmmmm?  got no answer?

Yeah we know there is a perfectly valid reason why its in, at least any one who has worked on a large project knows that.  But people also know that Funcom is full of marketing crap its really easy to call em on it and turn it back around on them now that there is a lot of information out.

Basically live by the sword die by the sword.  In this case the sword is marketing BS.

Originally posted by cyricson

Originally posted by goeegoanna

  Now I don't know about other's feelings on this matter but I think its great.  Every great thing takes time to evolve, it can not just happen in an instant and be perfect.

Let's face it, if any game was perfect from day one then day two there's be someone out there complaining there should be more and that perfect wasn't perfect enough; it shows someone as spoilt and impatient.  This is a growing world the same as every other game world and even this very world we are on.

Human kind didn't happen in an instant, it took time. The many wonderful things will come and that's what's so great about this to me, I know over time I will be continually be getting more and more surprises.

 

 I am loving the game as is; I know now I will be loving it it more as time goes on. AOC are proving to me they will fix  mistakes as they are found, as quickly as they can. At the same time they are creating new areas, quests and content to expand this huge, vibrant ,lively world

Thank you for your creativity,time and effort AOC, I choose to keep our arrangement going for the foreseeable future and then some.

 

Would you care to explain to us why you will not accept a 7 inch tv when you pay for a 45 inch plasma tv and the same time you will accept AoC with more than half its promised content missing?

No disrespect intended,I am not exactly sure what you're trying to express here, but I believe you say that we didn't get what we paid for then I would have to say you are mistaken. Funcom said they would give many wonderful things sure now just because they were not offered on the two full dvds  I know my game folder is now over 26 GB, how many other games offer that much content?

Now that's some 4 dvds full of fun to be had and we are still getting more and more all the time. We get a report of their plans for a fine instalment of new and exciting content and people complain about it.

Just remember the game has only been going a short time. At least allow them time to get the work together and collected ready to be uploaded into the system.

So that 7inch tv isn't really 7 at all and already it is growing beyond the 45 inch you say you were promised with the updates and fixes we have had. Now we have new content this it is becoming even bigger yet you are still complaining over the fact it's no longer a 45 inch. Funcom are keeping their promises but they couldn't fit it all onto the original dvds. You're getting the content, why does it matter how you get it?

Originally posted by Moodah

From my point of view, people should be canceling to show to the other developers of the upcoming titles that the gaming community does not approve being treated like idiots.

Every time Gaute says something new, it insults my intelligence, because by now I know that he is selling me bollocks. Not even a month has passed from the official launch of the game and they are already selling the features that should be there at launch as a "roadmap" for the future.

AOC might have a potential to be a good game, but judging from the product that is here now, it should stay in beta for quite some time more.

We didn't see half of the promised features, and the ones present are not working 100%, so why the hell should anyone continue paying subscriptions in the following months taking their word for it?

I'm a Conan fan from when I was a little kid, but I am so split between wanting this game to crash and burn for the sake of sending a clear message to the rest of the developers that this is not the way to treat the people who buy your product. and wanting it to succeed so they can continue developing "The secret world", which I hope Gaute has no fingers even close to it. In either case, they get no sub fee from me no matter how many pretty things they write on paper.

Just about any other product you buy on this planet, you buy in the finished state, or considet it a fraud if someone sells you something that isn't in the state it should be. There is just some crazy mantra that got rooted in the MMO community that "No MMO is finished at launch"

- What would you say to the baker if he would sell you a half-baked bread

- Or the car salesman if he sold you the car with 2 wheels and no seats

- If someone sold you a half-full bottle of wine

- If someone sold you a TV without a screen

- or a fridge without a door.

- If you payed for a full-body massage and got only a back massage.

- If you payed for swimming in a pool, but they didn't tell you that theres water in it only 2x per week.

I don't see any reason MMO gamers should be satisfied with anything but complete products.

-So what would you say to the baker if he sold you a half loaf of bread but said in a day I will give you two extra loaves?

-The car salesman sells you a car with 2 wheels n no seats but will replace it with a hummer in a few days.

-Someone sold you half bottle of wine but a few days later gives you much more expencive french wine.

-Sold you a tv with no screen but replaces it with a large screen plasma shortly after?

-A fridge with no door will be replaced with a large double door fridge?

-Got only a back massage but later on get a full body massage n then some?

-Paid for a pool with only water in two days a week, then get your pool filled heated along with a hottub besides it?

Really two can play at that game...n it can be played both ways...

Originally posted by Shannia

It is a damn shame they had time to focus on all this post launch content, yet they didn't have time to complete the content and fix bugs before release.  Maybe with their next MMORPG, they will finally learn from their mistakes with AO and the new mistakes with AoC.  There could be hope for Secret World.

I always buy MMOs at time of release (if I have interest)

After having experienced both Anarchy Online and AOC at release

any future game from Funcom, I'll wait for a trial ...

Originally posted by Gishgeron

Originally posted by Ascension08 

Right, I think if you play something it's hard to review 100% unbiased. And when you throw money in the mix well it's even harder. I do expect all sites to be as unbiased as possible of course, and I attribute the 90+ ratings to the fact that AoC polished Tortage.
 

 

   Its also important to note that the problem with stats would not have been noticed in the newb zone because you only had very basic gear and it was replaced relatively soon.  The broken feats would also have not shown light on themselves as well.  IN fact, the vast majority of the BIG issues in this game would have never been seen from Tortage...which only goes to prove that they forced their beta players to cap at 13 for a REASON.

  This was all very deliberate.

I agree about the deliberate part.  Because when I saw the level caps back when beta was announced it made me instantly suspicious.

But I gave them the benefit of the doubt and assumed that they had internal testers doing that part and thatt he "beta" was mostly for PR.  And that the reason for the level restriction was because the higher levels of almost all MMOs releases are more buggy and they wanted to present  as good a picture as possible.

Now that might sound bad but I don't think Open Betas are not useful for testing any more and should be used as preview events and stress tests only.

But clearly things like Sieges simply were barely tested if at all.

Originally posted by LondonMagus

Originally posted by cyricson

Originally posted by Moodah

From my point of view, people should be canceling to show to the other developers of the upcoming titles that the gaming community does not approve being treated like idiots.

Every time Gaute says something new, it insults my intelligence, because by now I know that he is selling me bollocks. Not even a month has passed from the official launch of the game and they are already selling the features that should be there at launch as a "roadmap" for the future.

AOC might have a potential to be a good game, but judging from the product that is here now, it should stay in beta for quite some time more.

We didn't see half of the promised features, and the ones present are not working 100%, so why the hell should anyone continue paying subscriptions in the following months taking their word for it?

I'm a Conan fan from when I was a little kid, but I am so split between wanting this game to crash and burn for the sake of sending a clear message to the rest of the developers that this is not the way to treat the people who buy your product. and wanting it to succeed so they can continue developing "The secret world", which I hope Gaute has no fingers even close to it. In either case, they get no sub fee from me no matter how many pretty things they write on paper.

Just about any other product you buy on this planet, you buy in the finished state, or considet it a fraud if someone sells you something that isn't in the state it should be. There is just some crazy mantra that got rooted in the MMO community that "No MMO is finished at launch"

- What would you say to the baker if he would sell you a half-baked bread

- Or the car salesman if he sold you the car with 2 wheels and no seats

- If someone sold you a half-full bottle of wine

- If someone sold you a TV without a screen

- or a fridge without a door.

- If you payed for a full-body massage and got only a back massage.

- If you payed for swimming in a pool, but they didn't tell you that theres water in it only 2x per week.

I don't see any reason MMO gamers should be satisfied with anything but complete products.

this is a classic example of what an AoC defender or fanboy will ignore completely. I still havent seen an answer to all these examples. Come on say something else than "the game has nice graphics" or "go play something else".

the reason we all attack AoC or more specifically Funcom is that they lied to us. Plain and simple, and no i am not paid by Blizz or EA.

 

The reason no-one has replied to them is that they are very silly & generally not worth the effort.

With the exception of the last example, every single one of those ludicrously exaggerated examples refers to a static product rather than a membership based service.

With the exception of the last example, every single one of those ludicrously exaggerated examples would render the product completely & utterly unusable, with even the pool only being available 28% of the time.

This is clearly not the case for AoC as many (or maybe even most) players are happily playing the game with few problems. Just how are these grievances about whether the new material should have been included from launch in any way comparable to a 'TV without a screen'?

As the saying goes, "If I've told you once, I've told you a million times, don't exaggerate"!

You want to play it that way?

Cable TV promises me 200 channels for the price of $100. They gave me 100 channels, and will add the other 100 over time in 6 months. In the mean time, keep paying $100/month.

Pay $70 for fiber optics internet. Only they tell you, oh sorry, we don't support your area at the moment, but we'll replace it with DSL for now and give you the fiber optics when it's available in your area. However, it's still $70/month.

I'm sure people won't put up with the above, why should MMO players?

Originally posted by talismen351

Originally posted by Moodah

From my point of view, people should be canceling to show to the other developers of the upcoming titles that the gaming community does not approve being treated like idiots.

Every time Gaute says something new, it insults my intelligence, because by now I know that he is selling me bollocks. Not even a month has passed from the official launch of the game and they are already selling the features that should be there at launch as a "roadmap" for the future.

AOC might have a potential to be a good game, but judging from the product that is here now, it should stay in beta for quite some time more.

We didn't see half of the promised features, and the ones present are not working 100%, so why the hell should anyone continue paying subscriptions in the following months taking their word for it?

I'm a Conan fan from when I was a little kid, but I am so split between wanting this game to crash and burn for the sake of sending a clear message to the rest of the developers that this is not the way to treat the people who buy your product. and wanting it to succeed so they can continue developing "The secret world", which I hope Gaute has no fingers even close to it. In either case, they get no sub fee from me no matter how many pretty things they write on paper.

Just about any other product you buy on this planet, you buy in the finished state, or considet it a fraud if someone sells you something that isn't in the state it should be. There is just some crazy mantra that got rooted in the MMO community that "No MMO is finished at launch"

- What would you say to the baker if he would sell you a half-baked bread

- Or the car salesman if he sold you the car with 2 wheels and no seats

- If someone sold you a half-full bottle of wine

- If someone sold you a TV without a screen

- or a fridge without a door.

- If you payed for a full-body massage and got only a back massage.

- If you payed for swimming in a pool, but they didn't tell you that theres water in it only 2x per week.

I don't see any reason MMO gamers should be satisfied with anything but complete products.