Vanguard: Saga of Heroes

88 is 12 short of 100, so I might have also guessed the same amount.

It is certainly more than a "couple"

Originally posted by morpin

88 is 12 short of 100, so I might have also guessed the same amount.

It is certainly more than a "couple"

I have seen ethion lurking around here for quite some time and he is quite experienced with the game. I think he was probably referring to premiere 'group' dungeons, in which case he'd be pretty accurate with 30.

I just wanted to get the resource link out there for anyone it may help

Originally posted by DailyBuzz

Originally posted by morpin

88 is 12 short of 100, so I might have also guessed the same amount.

It is certainly more than a "couple"

 

I have seen ethion lurking around here for quite some time and he is quite experienced with the game. I think he was probably referring to premiere 'group' dungeons, in which case he'd be pretty accurate with 30.

I just wanted to get the resource link out there for anyone it may help

Yeah I was just tossing out a number thinking back to dungeons I personally remember not trying to be exact but no way I could let it sit that there were only a couple dungeons but I was lazy and didn't want to look it up or go and overhype it tossing out a number that was higher then I really knew.

Bottom line though the dungeons in VG are amazing and if you do play VG you absolutely must group and do some of the dungeons to really get a good feel for the game.  Dungeons are large, diverse, have many quests and many of them have neat little unique special features, like a gnome dungeon I like where the gravity is reduced and there is the gnome sniper that one shots many classes and you need to send someone in in stealth mode to find him and kill him before you can advance.  Very fun dungeon.   Or there is one where you get a power suit and rockets and other special abilities.  Been awhile since I played these but they are very typical of VG dungeons.

Originally posted by bliss_bliss

I bought it yesterday. The graphics are so horrible that I actually couldn't stand playing it. Everything is so damn ugly.  If you think that really ugly graphics is annoying (and I mean *ugly*) then I wouldn't recommend this. I actually can't believe a 2007 release can have this awful graphics. How it can get a 9.3 rating is beyond me. Sad really.

I am having this same problem right at this moment. I log in, see that god-awful ugly character staring at me, try making a new one which is just as god-awful ugly and exit out.

I've made it as far level 2 in three or four of the starting areas. Because I can't stand the graphics. I've run every imaginable (ini) tweak and can only get decent fps (30-40) when I lower all the settings to the lowest they will go. And that makes the game look like something from 1995.

The game world looks adequate when I bump everything up to the highest settings, but of course I'm only running about 5-9 fps. When I adjust the game and have a bit higher than the lowest settings I get about 19 fps, which just doesn't cut it for me anymore, it hurts my eyes. I can't believe that it takes such processor power to generate nice, but still mediocre, graphics.

But I could learn to live with the 19fps and gradually finesse it up a few notches because I would really like to experience all the other aspects of the game that are supposed to be really good ... but then I look at my fugly-ass character again and the absurdly bad animations and I - you guessed it - exit the game.

Watching the dude run is laughably bad - except I'm not laughing because I've wasted time and money on getting his ungainly legs moving. I'm starting to think this game rightfully earned its (negative) reputation and I'm not sure the recent interest (perhaps sparked by the AoC flop?) is going to last given the factors. I mean, sure the graphics are ok when they are maxed out, but if you are going to spend big bucks on top-notch rig, don't you want better than "ok?"

Don't take this as a flame, I'm just a little frustrated. I'm sure there is a gem here somewhere, but it is far too ensconced in graphical manure for me to find it.

Originally posted by fortuente

Originally posted by bliss_bliss

I bought it yesterday. The graphics are so horrible that I actually couldn't stand playing it. Everything is so damn ugly.  If you think that really ugly graphics is annoying (and I mean *ugly*) then I wouldn't recommend this. I actually can't believe a 2007 release can have this awful graphics. How it can get a 9.3 rating is beyond me. Sad really.

I am having this same problem right at this moment. I log in, see that god-awful ugly character staring at me, try making a new one which is just as god-awful ugly and exit out.

I've made it as far level 2 in three or four of the starting areas. Because I can't stand the graphics. I've run every imaginable (ini) tweak and can only get decent fps (30-40) when I lower all the settings to the lowest they will go. And that makes the game look like something from 1995.

The game world looks adequate when I bump everything up to the highest settings, but of course I'm only running about 5-9 fps. When I adjust the game and have a bit higher than the lowest settings I get about 19 fps, which just doesn't cut it for me anymore, it hurts my eyes. I can't believe that it takes such processor power to generate nice, but still mediocre, graphics.

But I could learn to live with the 19fps and gradually finesse it up a few notches because I would really like to experience all the other aspects of the game that are supposed to be really good ... but then I look at my fugly-ass character again and the absurdly bad animations and I - you guessed it - exit the game.

Watching the dude run is laughably bad - except I'm not laughing because I've wasted time and money on getting his ungainly legs moving. I'm starting to think this game rightfully earned its (negative) reputation and I'm not sure the recent interest (perhaps sparked by the AoC flop?) is going to last given the factors. I mean, sure the graphics are ok when they are maxed out, but if you are going to spend big bucks on top-notch rig, don't you want better than "ok?"

Don't take this as a flame, I'm just a little frustrated. I'm sure there is a gem here somewhere, but it is far too ensconced in graphical manure for me to find it.

Vanguard has very good graphics when a player has a pretty decent system to run it on. It sounds like some folks are running a lower end machine and are expecting outstanding graphics with it.
 

I, personally, have an average machine with an 8600GT GPU and the graphics are amazing on high settings and I am getting an average of 30-40 FPS with high graphic settings.

The only thing that I can agree with is the current character models. However, the new, improved character models will be released next month(August) so this problem will be fixed.

The only thing I can say as to why you would think that the graphics are bad would be you own opinion/preference. Folks who come from WoW are more used to the cartoony graphics, whereas Vanguard has a more real-life type graphic.

The reason that the game has a 9.3 rating is due to the excellent graphics, excellent gameplay and excellent community. This is not only my opinion but rather the opinion of many people who agree on the game rating.

Im sorry you are having problems with the graphics and frame rate but I honestly think that it is your system and not the game.

This game is really not worth buying the controls are clunky and the animations/effect's are of Megaman 4 quality.

it's everquest 3 really. same old sh*t

Originally posted by Vespers

I, personally, have an average machine with an 8600GT GPU and the graphics are amazing on high settings and I am getting an average of 30-40 FPS with high graphic settings.

The only thing that I can agree with is the current character models. However, the new, improved character models will be released next month(August) so this problem will be fixed.

The only thing I can say as to why you would think that the graphics are bad would be you own opinion/preference. Folks who come from WoW are more used to the cartoony graphics, whereas Vanguard has a more real-life type graphic.

Im sorry you are having problems with the graphics and frame rate but I honestly think that it is your system and not the game.

I am playing this on a gaming laptop with an AMD TL-50 (dual-core), nvidia 8600m G and a 2 GB dual-channel CAS4 DDR2 667 RAM. Admittedly my 5400 RPM SATA1 hdd is my main chokepoint in more than just this game right now. Heat is not an issue due to the way I have rigged the machine.

So no, it's just "not my system." As I said, I understand the limitations of my machine and I adjust my expectations accordingly. I don't expect the greatest, but neither do I expect the worst. As of now Vanguard has failed spectacularly compared to the couple dozen other 3d games and apps I have used on this machine.

My problem with Vanguard's graphics are twofold:

1. The background environment does not look bad at all - when cranked all the way up. I do not feel the power required to crank them all the way up is proportional to how good they look when cranked up. This is not a game-breaker for me at all, I'm just stating that. It annoys me that the game seems to be so poorly coded you have to use jet fuel to run a go kart.

2. The character models and animations are the worst I may have ever seen. And I am trying desperately hard not to exaggerate (I really want to like this game). But they are just plain, no-bones-about, irredeemably awful. And somehow I doubt that adding a few sliders next month is going solve that, though I hope differently. And does being able to raise or lower the bridge of your nose fix the horrendous animations?

And what is up with the WoW ad hominem? I wonder why MMO fanbois always bring up WoW when attempting to discredit an argument about why their favorite game fails. I'm sorry you do not like WoW or its cartoony graphics, but that has exactly zero to do with my opinion of Vanguard. Unless, of course, you consider that WoW plays smoothly and has a consistent graphical feel across a wide range of systems from low to high. But this isn't about WoW is it?