General Discussion

MMORPG.com Vanguard Correspondent Jei Anderson pens this article about his experiences with the PvP system (or lack thereof) in Vanguard: Saga of Heroes.

In my experience with other games, PvP has always been a valuable asset. It gives a high-level player a fun, engaging, alternative to raiding; it oftentimes offers rewards that are just as good as PvE end-game rewards, but most importantly, in my opinion, is that PvP gives the reason to get end-game gear, weapons, and trinkets, definition. Not everyone likes to PvP and not everyone is good at it, but one thing that can be agreed on about PvP is that it separates the novices of any given class from those that really understand their function.

A player character is very different from an NPC because given time, enough wipes on any boss will reveal the keys to defeating it. This is how boss guides are written. However, a good PvPer can kill you 20 different times and you might never figure out how to beat them because a human can be unpredictable. This fact forces anyone who wishes to succeed in PvP to become unpredictable themselves, which means that they have to understand the strengths, weaknesses, and limitations of their class fully. This in turn makes the player a better *insert class title* when they decide to PvE and when they PvE and get those "phat lewtz", PvP gives them a place to use them. Done correctly, PvE and PvP are an interdependent, happy, couple of any game.

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Thanks for taking the time to write about your experiences. I had no idea vanguard neglected the pvp aspect to that extent. Wow, this really "is" like looking at EQ's long lost brother as EQ1 was never designed as a pvp game either. But with that said, I do like the idea of how pvp can deter one from harming their reputation and the fact that there are no level restrictions.

I personally like no level restrictions when it comes to pvp, that is if you have a mature playerbase. Frankly, if you had some max level killing lowbies, you'd hope there'd be other max level players that'd stick up for them and kick the guys arse, but anyway, good read!

I don t like PVP.

I don t like to be chain camped at cimetary.

I don t like the fact than i MUST raise PVP faction to get gears to be more efficient in PVE. (Like WOW before BC).

I chose Vanguard because there is no pvp, no reward pvp, no event pvp, no quest pvp.

If  Pvp get involve in PVE in vanguard i will just stop. Thanks god, there is still no pvp at the moment, exepte an empty server.

If Ppl like PVP i guess there is enough PVP game to be happy, please at least let that one without PVP ...

Fatebringer FTW!

Thanks for telling the truth and exposing Silius' dirty little secret about PVP in Vanguard.

That guy is a dead fish with a capital D.

I pity the people who stil play PVP in VG, seriously - The sad part is they probably feel all gratefull that after 3 months the tombstone bug finally got a reply. Sad, just sad.

Sartok is a server with 140 people on nightly. It's basically the same core group of players killing each other on their mains and twinked alts.

I appreciate the responses everyone.  I understand that some don't like PvP.  I am in no way trying to replace any PvE material, I simply want PvP to raise to the same level as the PvE content and then them both go forward.  Anyhow, this is how it stands in my eyes, I don't think we will ever be a flourishing community until the PvP system is fixed.

I am / was really wanting to try this game , but if it is a seperate pvp server , Instead of a combined pvp/safe areas type setup - I don't know if it is really worth playing now .

The thing is, Simon, that the game is a wonderful game at its core.  It has potential falling out of every pore.  It is a game that one must have patience with, but still leaps and bounds better, even with its faults, than any of the other releases to date (IMO).  Which means that if the bugs/missing content ever get resolved, this will be the game to play for life.

With such an attitude like that coming from a dev ( Im assuming Silius is a Dev) I don't blame you for quitting . There is nothing like ripping the cash away from them, to change the attitude of a a***hole dev. Well from a smart or wise dev anyway. Some of them never learn, the arrogant bas***ds.