Star Wars Galaxies

Originally posted by ArcAngel3

Originally posted by Fishermage

 

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Originally posted by ArcAngel3

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Originally posted by Gutboy

 

I got into Beta for the card game on 2 of my accounts, out of the free cards I got were 3 loot cards. I have no interest in the actual game and because of that I will receive for free 5 booster packs each month for each of my accounts.
Only the people really interested in the actual game or those that can't wait to get the loot they want will buy cards.
Oh and all ANY company wants is money from it's customers, it's not just a SoE thing.

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I'd really like to hear an honest thoughtful response from you on something. You say that "all ANY company wants is money..., it's not just an SoE thing."
I'm aware of game designers that actually enjoy their work, and take pride in providing an excellent gaming experience for others to enjoy. Do they want to make money? Well of course, who wouldn't. This is not, however, "all" that they are interested in. Can you see this?
This, among other things, sets some companies apart from SOE. Maybe my money is "all" that SOE is interested in. It certainly seemed that way when they lied to me about upcoming profession revamps and then deleted those professions instead. It also seemed that way when they literally erased all of the progress of most of their players in the hope of attracting a larger target audience.
Jeff Freeman once said that 99.9% of gaming companies would never even think of doing an NGE to their game. Even Dan Rubenfield said that you simply cannot change a game that significantly after release.
What is it about SOE that makes them the 0.1% that would consider doing this to all of their customers?
When you attempt to paint everyone with the same brush, you seem to have to bend reality to do so. You seem to insist that just like SOE, no one cares about anything but money. They don't care about their product, their reputation, or treating people with respect. I understand that you may see SOE this way. That probably wouldn't surprise anyone, but do you really have such a dim view of everyone in the MMO business?
If you do I'd suggest you get in touch with some other companies like Cryptic for example. Meet some of the people, see what makes them tick. Play games like WoW, CoH/CoV, and see what happy customers are like. See what polished and enjoyable games are like, and how much people just relax and enjoy them.
I truly get the impression that you've been around SOE so much that you think the entire world thinks and acts like they do. I think you may be in for a pleasant surprise if you look for exceptions to their behaviour. They are there to be found, if you're willing to see them.

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You know, I still find it hard to believe that they ever really thought they would make money with the NGE. That kind of stupidity is truly mindboggling. To think, imagining for even a moment that you could anger 250K customers and hope to get any more.

No one with even a business degree from the worst school would buy into such crap. This is why to this day I find it hard to believe that there wasn't something else at work.

I just have a hard time imagining humans involved in a business enterprise being so monumentally stupid.
 

 

A wise person apparently once made a comment about the love of money being the root of all kinds of evil.  I guess there was something to that.  A spiderman video game that I play also  adds this pearl, "evil is dumb." Lol, I guess that about sums it up.

Maybe all this craziness is really just about the love of money over and above everything else.  Could it really be that simple?  If so, man yeah, that really is dumb.

It was Paul. First Timothy Chapter 6 verses 9 and 10.

9 However, those who are determined to be rich fall into temptation and a snare and many senseless and hurtful desires, which plunge men into destruction and ruin. 10 For the love of money is a root of all sorts of injurious things, and by reaching out for this love some have been led astray from the faith and have stabbed themselves all over with many pains.

(Copy and pasted from the New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures; Ye furlongs may vary.)

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Originally posted by mrcalhou

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Originally posted by ArcAngel3

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Originally posted by Fishermage

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Originally posted by ArcAngel3

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Originally posted by Gutboy

I got into Beta for the card game on 2 of my accounts, out of the free cards I got were 3 loot cards. I have no interest in the actual game and because of that I will receive for free 5 booster packs each month for each of my accounts.
Only the people really interested in the actual game or those that can't wait to get the loot they want will buy cards.
Oh and all ANY company wants is money from it's customers, it's not just a SoE thing.

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I'd really like to hear an honest thoughtful response from you on something. You say that "all ANY company wants is money..., it's not just an SoE thing."
I'm aware of game designers that actually enjoy their work, and take pride in providing an excellent gaming experience for others to enjoy. Do they want to make money? Well of course, who wouldn't. This is not, however, "all" that they are interested in. Can you see this?
This, among other things, sets some companies apart from SOE. Maybe my money is "all" that SOE is interested in. It certainly seemed that way when they lied to me about upcoming profession revamps and then deleted those professions instead. It also seemed that way when they literally erased all of the progress of most of their players in the hope of attracting a larger target audience.
Jeff Freeman once said that 99.9% of gaming companies would never even think of doing an NGE to their game. Even Dan Rubenfield said that you simply cannot change a game that significantly after release.
What is it about SOE that makes them the 0.1% that would consider doing this to all of their customers?
When you attempt to paint everyone with the same brush, you seem to have to bend reality to do so. You seem to insist that just like SOE, no one cares about anything but money. They don't care about their product, their reputation, or treating people with respect. I understand that you may see SOE this way. That probably wouldn't surprise anyone, but do you really have such a dim view of everyone in the MMO business?
If you do I'd suggest you get in touch with some other companies like Cryptic for example. Meet some of the people, see what makes them tick. Play games like WoW, CoH/CoV, and see what happy customers are like. See what polished and enjoyable games are like, and how much people just relax and enjoy them.
I truly get the impression that you've been around SOE so much that you think the entire world thinks and acts like they do. I think you may be in for a pleasant surprise if you look for exceptions to their behaviour. They are there to be found, if you're willing to see them.

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You know, I still find it hard to believe that they ever really thought they would make money with the NGE. That kind of stupidity is truly mindboggling. To think, imagining for even a moment that you could anger 250K customers and hope to get any more.
No one with even a business degree from the worst school would buy into such crap. This is why to this day I find it hard to believe that there wasn't something else at work.
I just have a hard time imagining humans involved in a business enterprise being so monumentally stupid.

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A wise person apparently once made a comment about the love of money being the root of all kinds of evil. I guess there was something to that. A spiderman video game that I play also adds this pearl, "evil is dumb." Lol, I guess that about sums it up.
Maybe all this craziness is really just about the love of money over and above everything else. Could it really be that simple? If so, man yeah, that really is dumb.

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It was Paul. First Timothy Chapter 6 verses 9 and 10.
9 However, those who are determined to be rich fall into temptation and a snare and many senseless and hurtful desires, which plunge men into destruction and ruin. 10 For the love of money is a root of all sorts of injurious things, and by reaching out for this love some have been led astray from the faith and have stabbed themselves all over with many pains.
(Copy and pasted from the New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures; Ye furlongs may vary.)

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But the idea in all of these verses shared is that the love of money leads you to lose track of what's really important -- faith, love, life, etc; it doesn't explain the love of money making you do something that any moron would know will make you LOSE money.

There is NO WAY a human being who loved or wanted to make money would pull the NGE. It seems it was intentionally done to LOSE money.

Paul never said the love of money leads you to do the thing which will make you lose money -- I don't think the Apostle himself could have imagined such stupidity and incompetence.

Originally posted by ArcAngel3

Originally posted by Fishermage

 

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Originally posted by ArcAngel3

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Originally posted by Gutboy

 

I got into Beta for the card game on 2 of my accounts, out of the free cards I got were 3 loot cards. I have no interest in the actual game and because of that I will receive for free 5 booster packs each month for each of my accounts.
Only the people really interested in the actual game or those that can't wait to get the loot they want will buy cards.
Oh and all ANY company wants is money from it's customers, it's not just a SoE thing.

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I'd really like to hear an honest thoughtful response from you on something. You say that "all ANY company wants is money..., it's not just an SoE thing."
I'm aware of game designers that actually enjoy their work, and take pride in providing an excellent gaming experience for others to enjoy. Do they want to make money? Well of course, who wouldn't. This is not, however, "all" that they are interested in. Can you see this?
This, among other things, sets some companies apart from SOE. Maybe my money is "all" that SOE is interested in. It certainly seemed that way when they lied to me about upcoming profession revamps and then deleted those professions instead. It also seemed that way when they literally erased all of the progress of most of their players in the hope of attracting a larger target audience.
Jeff Freeman once said that 99.9% of gaming companies would never even think of doing an NGE to their game. Even Dan Rubenfield said that you simply cannot change a game that significantly after release.
What is it about SOE that makes them the 0.1% that would consider doing this to all of their customers?
When you attempt to paint everyone with the same brush, you seem to have to bend reality to do so. You seem to insist that just like SOE, no one cares about anything but money. They don't care about their product, their reputation, or treating people with respect. I understand that you may see SOE this way. That probably wouldn't surprise anyone, but do you really have such a dim view of everyone in the MMO business?
If you do I'd suggest you get in touch with some other companies like Cryptic for example. Meet some of the people, see what makes them tick. Play games like WoW, CoH/CoV, and see what happy customers are like. See what polished and enjoyable games are like, and how much people just relax and enjoy them.
I truly get the impression that you've been around SOE so much that you think the entire world thinks and acts like they do. I think you may be in for a pleasant surprise if you look for exceptions to their behaviour. They are there to be found, if you're willing to see them.

---

 

You know, I still find it hard to believe that they ever really thought they would make money with the NGE. That kind of stupidity is truly mindboggling. To think, imagining for even a moment that you could anger 250K customers and hope to get any more.

No one with even a business degree from the worst school would buy into such crap. This is why to this day I find it hard to believe that there wasn't something else at work.

I just have a hard time imagining humans involved in a business enterprise being so monumentally stupid.
 

 

A wise person apparently once made a comment about the love of money being the root of all kinds of evil.  I guess there was something to that.  A spiderman video game that I play also  adds this pearl, "evil is dumb." Lol, I guess that about sums it up.

Maybe all this craziness is really just about the love of money over and above everything else.  Could it really be that simple?  If so, man yeah, that really is dumb.

John Smedley was a coder before he became the head of Verant.  His background is rather typical of execs in the gaming industry.  He doesn't have abusiness background.  The main difference is that most of his peers quickly find themselves unemployed, because they don't have a conglomerate behind them that doesn't really pay much attention to what they are doing.

I have absolutely no doubt that the Smed thought the NGE was a good idea that was going to make them piles of cash.  He has no background as a businessman, beyond being a guy who got lucky that his buddy made a successful game.  Can anyone name a single accomplishment SOE can claim beyond EQ once being the top MMO, in a field of two?  Had anyone at Sony been paying attention, SOE would have already had a management change.  The Smed has been fortunate that his company was buried as a subsidiary of Sony Pictures, which was able to bury his blundering in Spider-Man money.  I'm quite aware that SOE turns a profit, but it is nowhere near the profit they turned when EQ was the top dog.  No other industry would allow executives to remain in their position had they lost the market share that SOE has.  Hell, Age of Conan was released unfinished, unpolished, and with a dev team that would fell right at home at SOE, and yet it launched bigger than SOE as a company currently is.

SOE has gone out of its way to alienate their customers.  That wouldn't happen in any other industry as long as it has at SOE.  I'm sure the fact that Sony can lose $30 million on the PS3 and still think it is a success has at least something to do with the fact that SOE's management is still intact.

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Originally posted by Obee

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Originally posted by ArcAngel3

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Originally posted by Fishermage

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Originally posted by ArcAngel3

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Originally posted by Gutboy

I got into Beta for the card game on 2 of my accounts, out of the free cards I got were 3 loot cards. I have no interest in the actual game and because of that I will receive for free 5 booster packs each month for each of my accounts.
Only the people really interested in the actual game or those that can't wait to get the loot they want will buy cards.
Oh and all ANY company wants is money from it's customers, it's not just a SoE thing.

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I'd really like to hear an honest thoughtful response from you on something. You say that "all ANY company wants is money..., it's not just an SoE thing."
I'm aware of game designers that actually enjoy their work, and take pride in providing an excellent gaming experience for others to enjoy. Do they want to make money? Well of course, who wouldn't. This is not, however, "all" that they are interested in. Can you see this?
This, among other things, sets some companies apart from SOE. Maybe my money is "all" that SOE is interested in. It certainly seemed that way when they lied to me about upcoming profession revamps and then deleted those professions instead. It also seemed that way when they literally erased all of the progress of most of their players in the hope of attracting a larger target audience.
Jeff Freeman once said that 99.9% of gaming companies would never even think of doing an NGE to their game. Even Dan Rubenfield said that you simply cannot change a game that significantly after release.
What is it about SOE that makes them the 0.1% that would consider doing this to all of their customers?
When you attempt to paint everyone with the same brush, you seem to have to bend reality to do so. You seem to insist that just like SOE, no one cares about anything but money. They don't care about their product, their reputation, or treating people with respect. I understand that you may see SOE this way. That probably wouldn't surprise anyone, but do you really have such a dim view of everyone in the MMO business?
If you do I'd suggest you get in touch with some other companies like Cryptic for example. Meet some of the people, see what makes them tick. Play games like WoW, CoH/CoV, and see what happy customers are like. See what polished and enjoyable games are like, and how much people just relax and enjoy them.
I truly get the impression that you've been around SOE so much that you think the entire world thinks and acts like they do. I think you may be in for a pleasant surprise if you look for exceptions to their behaviour. They are there to be found, if you're willing to see them.

---

You know, I still find it hard to believe that they ever really thought they would make money with the NGE. That kind of stupidity is truly mindboggling. To think, imagining for even a moment that you could anger 250K customers and hope to get any more.
No one with even a business degree from the worst school would buy into such crap. This is why to this day I find it hard to believe that there wasn't something else at work.
I just have a hard time imagining humans involved in a business enterprise being so monumentally stupid.

---

A wise person apparently once made a comment about the love of money being the root of all kinds of evil. I guess there was something to that. A spiderman video game that I play also adds this pearl, "evil is dumb." Lol, I guess that about sums it up.
Maybe all this craziness is really just about the love of money over and above everything else. Could it really be that simple? If so, man yeah, that really is dumb.

---

John Smedley was a coder before he became the head of Verant. His background is rather typical of execs in the gaming industry. He doesn't have abusiness background. The main difference is that most of his peers quickly find themselves unemployed, because they don't have a conglomerate behind them that doesn't really pay much attention to what they are doing.
I have absolutely no doubt that the Smed thought the NGE was a good idea that was going to make them piles of cash. He has no background as a businessman, beyond being a guy who got lucky that his buddy made a successful game. Can anyone name a single accomplishment SOE can claim beyond EQ once being the top MMO, in a field of two? Had anyone at Sony been paying attention, SOE would have already had a management change. The Smed has been fortunate that his company was buried as a subsidiary of Sony Pictures, which was able to bury his blundering in Spider-Man money. I'm quite aware that SOE turns a profit, but it is nowhere near the profit they turned when EQ was the top dog. No other industry would allow executives to remain in their position had they lost the market share that SOE has. Hell, Age of Conan was released unfinished, unpolished, and with a dev team that would fell right at home at SOE, and yet it launched bigger than SOE as a company currently is.
SOE has gone out of its way to alienate their customers. That wouldn't happen in any other industry as long as it has at SOE. I'm sure the fact that Sony can lose $30 million on the PS3 and still think it is a success has at least something to do with the fact that SOE's management is still intact.

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yeah, that makes the most sense. SOE is simply run by people who know nothing about business or how money is actually made.

Originally posted by Fishermage

 

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Originally posted by mrcalhou

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Originally posted by ArcAngel3

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Originally posted by Fishermage

 

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Originally posted by ArcAngel3

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Originally posted by Gutboy

I got into Beta for the card game on 2 of my accounts, out of the free cards I got were 3 loot cards. I have no interest in the actual game and because of that I will receive for free 5 booster packs each month for each of my accounts.
Only the people really interested in the actual game or those that can't wait to get the loot they want will buy cards.
Oh and all ANY company wants is money from it's customers, it's not just a SoE thing.

 

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I'd really like to hear an honest thoughtful response from you on something. You say that "all ANY company wants is money..., it's not just an SoE thing."
I'm aware of game designers that actually enjoy their work, and take pride in providing an excellent gaming experience for others to enjoy. Do they want to make money? Well of course, who wouldn't. This is not, however, "all" that they are interested in. Can you see this?
This, among other things, sets some companies apart from SOE. Maybe my money is "all" that SOE is interested in. It certainly seemed that way when they lied to me about upcoming profession revamps and then deleted those professions instead. It also seemed that way when they literally erased all of the progress of most of their players in the hope of attracting a larger target audience.
Jeff Freeman once said that 99.9% of gaming companies would never even think of doing an NGE to their game. Even Dan Rubenfield said that you simply cannot change a game that significantly after release.
What is it about SOE that makes them the 0.1% that would consider doing this to all of their customers?
When you attempt to paint everyone with the same brush, you seem to have to bend reality to do so. You seem to insist that just like SOE, no one cares about anything but money. They don't care about their product, their reputation, or treating people with respect. I understand that you may see SOE this way. That probably wouldn't surprise anyone, but do you really have such a dim view of everyone in the MMO business?
If you do I'd suggest you get in touch with some other companies like Cryptic for example. Meet some of the people, see what makes them tick. Play games like WoW, CoH/CoV, and see what happy customers are like. See what polished and enjoyable games are like, and how much people just relax and enjoy them.
I truly get the impression that you've been around SOE so much that you think the entire world thinks and acts like they do. I think you may be in for a pleasant surprise if you look for exceptions to their behaviour. They are there to be found, if you're willing to see them.

 

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You know, I still find it hard to believe that they ever really thought they would make money with the NGE. That kind of stupidity is truly mindboggling. To think, imagining for even a moment that you could anger 250K customers and hope to get any more.
No one with even a business degree from the worst school would buy into such crap. This is why to this day I find it hard to believe that there wasn't something else at work.
I just have a hard time imagining humans involved in a business enterprise being so monumentally stupid.

---

 

A wise person apparently once made a comment about the love of money being the root of all kinds of evil. I guess there was something to that. A spiderman video game that I play also adds this pearl, "evil is dumb." Lol, I guess that about sums it up.
Maybe all this craziness is really just about the love of money over and above everything else. Could it really be that simple? If so, man yeah, that really is dumb.

---

 

It was Paul. First Timothy Chapter 6 verses 9 and 10.
9 However, those who are determined to be rich fall into temptation and a snare and many senseless and hurtful desires, which plunge men into destruction and ruin. 10 For the love of money is a root of all sorts of injurious things, and by reaching out for this love some have been led astray from the faith and have stabbed themselves all over with many pains.
(Copy and pasted from the New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures; Ye furlongs may vary.)

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But the idea in all of these verses shared is that the love of money leads you to lose track of what's really important -- faith, love, life, etc; it doesn't explain the love of money making you do something that any moron would know will make you LOSE money.

There is NO WAY a human being who loved or wanted t