General Discussion

Discovered an interesting thread on Ten Ton Hammer forums about the FFA PvP potential in 'Crusades' for a situation to escalate into an all-out showdown between Carebears and PvP'rs.

Quote: Rocinante, Ten Ton Hammer thread:

"...after reading the forums and FAQ - I realized that there will be no effective way to blockade runs in and out of planets and galaxies because there are no jumpgates - it's all freespace! On top of this, is the fact that everywhere outside of the homeworld is open PvP space, but yet the resources needed for players to colonize and build Outposts into 'Civs' exists exponentially but again - in PvP space! "

"On that thought, Carebear players will need to form large guilds in order to protect their 'Civs' and we all know how much time they spend crafting. Thus, they will most likely have the best crafted items which the PvP'rs will enjoy looting - and that will force the Carebears to unite and fight. This could very well be gaming history in the sense that it may escalate into major confrontations between the two. PvP'rs won't survive and have the best weapons, planetary defenses, and spacecraft if they stop feeding off of the Carebears, and Carebears won't tolerate being attacked everywhere they go. Thus we have a Yin & Yang of Carebear vs. PvP'r in a final showdown - and it's probably long overdue."

Such a final showdown between the two long established player bases gets me thinking about which side would come out on top?  For indeed, they are the 'Yin and Yang' of MMO gamers. They depend upon one another for resources - like a food chain.  In an ever expanding universe, with FFA PvP, the setting is ripe for micro and macro clan domination.  Perhaps this score could be settled? 

Would the community like to see support for such a confrontation or leave it to the gamers to evolve?

Most carebares do not dislike PvP a lot even :gasp: enjoy guildwars areanas. What they dislike is pointless PvP, which city defense/invasion isn't.

PvPers and PvEers do not depend on each other at all, actually they should be playing two different games.

Gotta hand it to the carebears, they always win. Whoever whines the loudest always wins.

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Originally posted by Briansho
Gotta hand it to the carebears, they always win. Whoever whines the loudest always wins.

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unfortunately this is true...definitely works on ruining AoC

Originally posted by Briansho

Gotta hand it to the carebears, they always win. Whoever whines the loudest always wins.

Your joking right? I'd say both parties cry the same, just about different things. While PvEers may complain about PvP things that affect them, PvPers fall into the endless "balance" cries. "This class is OP", or "This skill is OP", or "This combo is OP"(see the pattern here?). I would almost venture to say PvPers cry the most.

What I would really like to know is why PvPers call PvEers "Carebears". It's pretty funny that because they like a different aspect of a game than you, they are suddenly inferior and a nuisance.

No, this is just going to end up like Eve. It's too easy for someone you don't know to screw everything up, so people form a not-friendly-shoot-it policy (NBSI, B for blue). This doesn't favor carebears at all but encourages high paranoia.

Its better to just claim players will fight players.....if they happen to be PvE or PvP fans have not much to do with the outcome in Crusades (wich sounds like a relly interesting MMO). A complax MMO can really change a player.

Alright: If I am termed 'Carebear' - which aside from being used as an insult usually, also apparently is used to describe non-PVP players in general - why would I be interested in an Free-for-all PvP game in the first place?

It's like asking vegans to partake in a steak eating contest and wonder who would finish first. This whole issue is intellectual bankruptcy.

Originally posted by Abrahmm

Originally posted by Briansho

Gotta hand it to the carebears, they always win. Whoever whines the loudest always wins.

 

Your joking right? I'd say both parties cry the same, just about different things. While PvEers may complain about PvP things that affect them, PvPers fall into the endless "balance" cries. "This class is OP", or "This skill is OP", or "This combo is OP"(see the pattern here?). I would almost venture to say PvPers cry the most.

What I would really like to know is why PvPers call PvEers "Carebears". It's pretty funny that because they like a different aspect of a game than you, they are suddenly inferior and a nuisance.

I agree they both cry. But carebears cry louder so they get their way. Many times those who start to cry and complain the loudest are assumed to be carebears. If a person dresses up like a clown, puts on makeup, and makes balloon animals they are probably going to be called a clown right?