General Discussion

Originally posted by neonwire

Originally posted by mrroboto40

Considering the size of Aventurine, by the time the game does come around to launch, they will have like 5 customer service representatives for all of North America.

 

Woo.

 

Ermmmm.......what about the rest of the planet? Darkfall isnt an "America only" game is it?

They'll get one of their very own too.

All kidding aside Darkfall isn't a next generation MMO. Saddling it with all the next generation hype expectations isn't good idea. Let it be what it is. it's a second generation amalgam sandbox mmo.  Whether that's good or bad will be determined by how the game actually plays.

So to overcome grind...you replace the gear grind with a skill grind? 

gotcha.

Venge Sunsoar

Originally posted by VengeSunsoar

So to overcome grind...you replace the gear grind with a skill grind? 

gotcha.

 

Venge Sunsoar

wow, probably one of the most ill-informed posts I have ever seen on these boards.

on another note...how are you commenting on grind at all when you believe it all in our heads?  heck i think you would understand the point of how DF has a lot less grind in it more than anyone.

Originally posted by originalegg

Originally posted by VengeSunsoar

So to overcome grind...you replace the gear grind with a skill grind? 

gotcha.

 

Venge Sunsoar

 

wow, probably one of the most ill-informed posts I have ever seen on these boards.

on another note...how are you commenting on grind at all when you believe it all in our heads?  heck i think you would understand the point of how DF has a lot less grind in it more than anyone.

There is nothing uninformed about this.

1.  He mentioned they would overcome the grind by having you become dependent on skill not gear, that is just a trade in grind, not overcoming anything.
 

2. Yes grind is perception, a repetitive monotonous task.  Therefore a game can't ever really get rid of it, only the person.

3. I am uninformed and yet understand the point mroe than anyone... ok then.

Venge Sunsoar

First and foremost nice post, took some time to type I see, second  Yes RIkii good one, If you guys want to talk about "DARkfail"  then go to where people actually want to talk about it, the darkfall forum, were sick and tired of hearing of how great its gonna be, nobody knows ok. 

And since you guys are so inclined to already crown Darkfall as a success, I think I too have a right to say how its going to epic fail, wanna know why?  Because of the Darkfall Community.  Take a gander over at the Darkfall Forums and you will see all the Gankers salivating at the mouths at the noobs that will come in just to get hacked to pieces again and again and again and again.    So much that they will just cancel their subscription because they keep getting killed and loosing their stuff.   how many people can honestly play this game year after year and just gank all day long, one , two, three years.... and with now many subs 200,000...500,000....1,000,000 happy gankers running around sticking knives at each other.    Anyways enough about Darkfall like Rikii said keep it in the forums, pathetic game. 

Back to the OP...very valid points, games are not open enough,  click and point, crafting is limited, instancing, you can't  go into first person with a bow and arch the arrow....and YES!!! NOT one single MMO out today has Evolved to the next greatest thing, were still stuck in the same RUT that we were stuck in since  early 2001, BS I say! enough is enough.   Pretty soon investors are gonna shy away from the MMO model innovative ideas will never be able to be funded because of atrocities like AOC.

Actually there is no good MMORPG today not one, not wow, not AOC , not vanguard,  not EQ, Not lotr  geez, look at all the money being spent here, what a waste!   I can go on and on with bad MMO's, I'm sick and tired of these dam game companies wanting to push out garbage out into the public.  Yah they want our Hard earned Money, and they also want US! to pay them Monthly for a Crappy game.  How would you like it if you paid 15.00 for cable and (hypothetically)  some channels went missing and you experienced a lost connection....you'de be pissed, but we can just pick up the phone and call the cable company, most of the time , problem is fixed ...but with these stupid game companies you have to put in a "request" until they can get to you... BS I'm tired of this genre,  It's amazing almost 10 years of experience in this RPG model and we've gone  in reverse, just amazing....I "HOPE" that all you beta testers for warhammer are not just oozing out your fanboism for Warhammer when I hear quotes like..."best MMorpg I have ever palyed"  --"It's amazing" --I heard the same quotes about AOC beta testers and we all know how that panned out, "EPIC FAIL" oh, but Corporate America is happy, they got your money when you bought the box, bet they are jumping ship now, dam investors, hate them...ok I think im done here...anyways good post OP, but NO, Darkfail will not be our answer sorry....out

Originally posted by Ohforfsake

Wall of text is long, but yes I agree. There has been a severe shortage of Darkfall-type games over the past few years.

 From what I've read / seen Darkfall will be a full loot gankfeast with nothing at all to keep the higher skill level players from camping the starter towns and repeatadley one shot killing and robbing you as soon as you set foot out of town, being there's no real stealth or invisability. Just the ability to try and hide behind object you can be sure getting out of the town will be a quest in itself as hiding will only be usfull for the gankers waiting to pwn you on your attempted run out of town.

   Question being who all wants to kill pve rats in their skivies with their fists because they keep being ganked and robbed by players with more skill levels, and for how long? Totally open PVP with full loot eats itself as there really is that many people who live just to gank and grief, there isn't however that many people wanting to pay to be the playthings of the gankers.

At least the item less game have existed for 4 years: Guildwars.  But yes, Darkfall sounds intresting but I wait until it's ready for release before deciding anything. I had heard before about games that sounds intresting just to change to crap before release.

And do beware of Guildwars 2, they do have some of the best programmers there is and the game will be a lot more customized than the first... And no monthly fees. The first did sell 5,5 million copies so my money is still on that they will deliver.

It is however good that someone really is trying to think out of the box, the next really big game will not be a EQ/Wow clone.

Originally posted by VengeSunsoar

So to overcome grind...you replace the gear grind with a skill grind? 

gotcha.

 

Venge Sunsoar

Very true. I always find it funny how people go all boohoo about grinding and want a skill based game but you STILL have to grind in one way or another to get your skill up. Take UO for example, I was a long time UO player.. and I cant even remember how many hours a day I spent fireballing myself to get resist up an shit like that. Way to many fuckin hours tho I asure you that lol. About the best way to do it was macro skills and gain while you sleep or expliot a bug (like the blade spirit bug before they fixed it to get resist up).. but then you run the risk of getting your account banned an shit. I wasted more hours of my life trying to get 7xgm skills in UO than I ever have getting to max level in any other game. lol

Dont get me wrong I like skill based games. UO was the shit! But its still a grind no matter how you look at it in ANY game no matter if its skill based or level based. About the only way to get around the grind is if they give you max skills/level as soon as you start your character. But that would be lame. Sure they could just make leveling skills or levels up super fast and easy but then that would get kinda lame too.. cuz if there is no challenge.. whats the point of even playing?

When it comes to the grind there is no difference when it comes to..

"woot! finaly dinged 20!"

"woot! finaly got .5 more skill in (insert skill name here)"

Now im not bashing skill based games at all. They have good points to them over some level based games. Just saying when it comes to the grind its pretty much all the same.