General Discussion

Really the only reason they're here complaining about not having a forum seems to be because they can't complain there.

The only thing I can agree with is the idea that the O. Forums gives outside people the chance to see how the game is progressing.

But ya know what? Forums are slower to create changes than petitions have ever been. Ya know why? Because it's easier to sift through a database that can be checked and tossed if it's trash than having sift through a list of threads and then lists of posts for the worth while ones.

Not to mention, the devs as has been said actively talk to the players. It may not be an official forum, but how are the results any different? Players complain and ask questions and the devs respond just the same.

Really, there is no reason for the official forums currently because it would be a drain on resources that would only increase costs and delay progress on development and bug fixes because the devs would be dealing with more extraneous crap that they then have to weigh the value of because inevitably there's going to be more than one opinion from more than one large group of players on how to 'fix' something and they can't please both, which means players will just continuously complain more and more as they are known to.

Originally posted by damian7 

 

so, all this communication from mythic... how is that helping me if i'm looking for technical support help?  if i'm wanting to see what all guilds are recruiting for a specific faction on a specific realm?  how does that help me, as a customer, if i'm looking for player created guides?  if i'm having those technical problems and i'd like to know that someone isn't pulling my leg or trying to do harmful things to my box?

that's great that YOU, as a customer, appreciate random podcasts from a jolly developer during beta. how exactly does that help the rest of us customers with any of the above?

can you tell me where i can find all of the above in one convenient location, where i can rest assured that i'm not being led astray?

if not, then it's complete rubbish.

 

communication my hindquarters.  i re-read the interview and jacobs doesn't say that a certain part of his paying customer are dinosaurs, i don't even see it implied that he's referring to just a part of the paying public.

You are kidding me ...

You know ... ingame is a good place to look for a guild ... and serious ones usually have their own sites where you check out what they do and apply ... I never ever looked for a guild through official forums and I was a member of one or two rather decent ones.

You are talking like you are browsing the net just jumping from official site to official site because you are paranoid that someone will do "harmful things to your computer" ... ever heard of firewalls and stuff? ... you expect me to believe that when you look for a piece of info on the net - lets say its an AMD processor, you only go to the official AMD site and read whats there. You never use Google for anything you look for on the intenet because there are evil people prowling about, waiting to do harmful things ... I find it extremely hard to believe that. Net is one big convenient location you can find anything you need ... especialy about an internet game.

Originally posted by Stradden

Originally posted by Yunbei

Remarkable that he really compares us, the customers, to a Tyrannosaurus. There is no excuse for the lack of official forums. Period.

 

He's very clearly not describing every customer as a dangerous dinosaur. In the context of what was said, it's clear that he was talking about the specific people who express their frustrations in abusive and threatening ways.

You don't agree with the call, that's fine, but you're taking that statement way out of context.

 

Welcome to MMORPG.com.

What it boils down to is that the lack of official forums are:

1.  Cost cutting (no forum moderator staff)

2.  Damage control, in advance.  It's obvious that without official forums problems with the game voiced by current customers will have less effect on new purchasers.

Frankly I think that any game that doesn't have official forums should provide a full refund option for the game purchase if not satisfied.

In any case it's not the abuse they are worried about, saying that is just spin doctoring the real reason, which is to minimize the visibility of bad customer feedback.

I thought it was rather fitting that the guy said he was happy the auction house made it into the game before launch.

Considering that feature is broken in ways that make the simplest search and refined searches produce as many or more unrelated items as there are items that match criteria.

Also, the dude who thinks Mr. Mythic Mouthpiece  is as balls and glory giving straight answers knowing not many people will like them.... fanboi much? Where did he ever say anything to the effect that Mythic can and will sell unreliable and unfinished products because it simply does not matter when their best estimate says it will show a profit.

Of course I cancelled my account already and I will sell it for more than i payed in. We all learned a long time ago that this industry is all about the hustle ( looking at you Brad ).

Honestly...no matter what is said here the only reason folks want  official forums is to read about or participate in the Troll train. They find disatisfaction in fan forums cause the mod can ban you without catching flak for losing a customer. 

Like it or not Offical forums are becoming a thing of the past, it's no huge secret that Blizzard is jobbing out all their forums (including WoW) to Activision, and activision forums are kinda like what Turbine use to have back in the early Days of AoC, you submit a comment or question and they decide if  it's worthy to be posted.

I know why Blizzard is doing this they have found that devlopers just can't handle that kind of abuse over a period of time, look at what has happend just at blizzard in the last four years  Caydeim transfered to another dept, Tseric went on a rampage and got fired, and just recently Jeff Kaplan went on a drunken (well who knows if he was drunk...but some folks over at  Death and Taxes says he was) Rampage and perma banned a crap load of accounts.....he didn't get the boot, but some are saying that he is moving on to greener pastures once WoTLK ships.  I can well inagine once Blizzard turns their fourms into the internets version of Dear Abby, other devlopers wil follow suit.....SOE has already said that DC universe will have fan forums only to build a sense of "community"

Like it or not it's all going the way of Disco.

Mythic has done a poor job in regards to allowing feedback and player opinion to be not even just heard but broadcast.  The bug submission and feedback reports available in game are shockingly limiting, to the point of only allowing you 1 full sentance to voice your concern/ problem/ opinion. 

I understand the desire to not have official forums, but this whole "let the credit cards do the talking" bit is pretty lame, it's really just saying that they dont  give a fuck about player feedback, and ways to improve the experience, and will only respond to the playerbase when they leave in masse, making the "Why did you cancel" box there most relied on source of  feedback information.  That's fucking lame.

Originally posted by ronan32

Originally posted by Lethality

 He really has his head in the dirt.  He will come around and be eating his words.

 

 

 

you have no idea what you're talking about. mythic certainly know what they're talking about and communication with the players is amazing..you don't see blizzard taking time out for stuff like this. Guys like mark are the type of people that deserve 10 million subs and not those cheats at blizzard.

Eh, the communication could be even more amazing if they had a forum... At least a technical one for technical issues.

And saying Blizzard don't deserve their customers is stupid. If  WAR deserves it, we'll see a lot of players comming it's way too in the next year but Wow did bring in most of it's players to the MMO market. And I say if because we really havn't seen WARs full potential this early.

And no, I don't agree with Lethality but I think it's a misstake to not have a forum, whatever they think of "Mob mentality" or not. The biggest thing with a forum is to help it's players but it also gives the devs a chanse to talk directly to the community.

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