WAR (Warhammer Online)

Originally posted by gestalt11

Originally posted by darwa

Originally posted by gestalt11

Why would anyone stay on a low pop server?  Only for emotional reasons.  Further whichever faction has a significant edge will drive away the other faction making balance even more unlikely.

 

While the rest of your post is great, this part is complete rubbish.

A lot of players like me actively seek out the underdog for the simple reason that we like a challenge, not for some imagined emotional reason. Playing Order is most definitely a challenge, and this is just what I like :)

I'm hardly on Sylvania for emotional reasons. That's just crazy talk. lol

 

That is emotional.  Wanting a challenge is fundamentally emotional. 

I didn't say they wanted to be their because they are a bunch of panty waste over sensitive and needy cry babies.

 

There is no advantage to the low pop servers.  Even for challenge you won't get much because just finding any action at all can be hard.

I have personally run around on a low server in T1 for over an hour and never found a single destro.  And i this server is at least 2 to 1 out numbered maybe eve 3 to 1.

When you do actually find some action and if you wait long enough for the 2 people who found you to spread the word then yes you might get your emiontal need for a challenge sated.

Not very well though.  Probably should check out a medium high server if that is what you want.

And you realize that wanting to be on high population servers is emotipnal as well right. Everything is "emotional" as you choose to define it

gestalt! you wrote enough text through this discussion to turn it into a book. Grab up all these words and turn it into a book and make some money out of the deal at least. Because your words is wasted here.

Originally posted by Imjin

Originally posted by gestalt11

Originally posted by darwa

Originally posted by gestalt11

Why would anyone stay on a low pop server?  Only for emotional reasons.  Further whichever faction has a significant edge will drive away the other faction making balance even more unlikely.

 

While the rest of your post is great, this part is complete rubbish.

A lot of players like me actively seek out the underdog for the simple reason that we like a challenge, not for some imagined emotional reason. Playing Order is most definitely a challenge, and this is just what I like :)

I'm hardly on Sylvania for emotional reasons. That's just crazy talk. lol

 

That is emotional.  Wanting a challenge is fundamentally emotional. 

I didn't say they wanted to be their because they are a bunch of panty waste over sensitive and needy cry babies.

 

There is no advantage to the low pop servers.  Even for challenge you won't get much because just finding any action at all can be hard.

I have personally run around on a low server in T1 for over an hour and never found a single destro.  And i this server is at least 2 to 1 out numbered maybe eve 3 to 1.

When you do actually find some action and if you wait long enough for the 2 people who found you to spread the word then yes you might get your emiontal need for a challenge sated.

Not very well though.  Probably should check out a medium high server if that is what you want.

 

And you realize that wanting to be on high population servers is emotipnal as well right. Everything is "emotional" as you choose to define it

Not really.  If you go over again you can separate "emotional" from "obvious advantage".  The only trick is that some things are done out of a sense of emotion are just plain misplaced.

You maybe be on a server because you like the name and made a few friends.  That would be an emotional attachment.  You may have an "emotional" need for action in which case it seems pretty obivous to choose a high population server.

You may believe that your "emotional" need for "challenge" will be sated on a non-full server with no caps.  But if you goto to far down and roll low pop you will be wrong because even if there are a lot more destro that does not mean there are a enough.

So in the end they are simply projecting their belief of some sort of challenge, which is purely emotional.  Because clearly empty RvR zones are not all that challenging.  They can romanticize the belief that they are the underdog all they.  And they can even be truly far behind in the ratio but 100 destro will never cover the zones even if there are only 10 order.

The point being there is no solid obserable advantage to rolling low pop.  The only one that is real and not imaginary or completely arbitrary is queue times.  And there are a number of solid observable objective advantages to going high pop.

And I have already stated how queue are not sufficient to inventivize people to go low population once they realize how little action there is in both PvE and PvP.

If you rolled low pop because you want a challenge you did so for emotional reason.  Because that challenge does not exist.  So if you are still there it is not for some objective reason.

Originally posted by gestalt11

Originally posted by Imjin

Originally posted by gestalt11

Originally posted by darwa

Originally posted by gestalt11

Why would anyone stay on a low pop server?  Only for emotional reasons.  Further whichever faction has a significant edge will drive away the other faction making balance even more unlikely.

 

While the rest of your post is great, this part is complete rubbish.

A lot of players like me actively seek out the underdog for the simple reason that we like a challenge, not for some imagined emotional reason. Playing Order is most definitely a challenge, and this is just what I like :)

I'm hardly on Sylvania for emotional reasons. That's just crazy talk. lol

 

That is emotional.  Wanting a challenge is fundamentally emotional. 

I didn't say they wanted to be their because they are a bunch of panty waste over sensitive and needy cry babies.

 

There is no advantage to the low pop servers.  Even for challenge you won't get much because just finding any action at all can be hard.

I have personally run around on a low server in T1 for over an hour and never found a single destro.  And i this server is at least 2 to 1 out numbered maybe eve 3 to 1.

When you do actually find some action and if you wait long enough for the 2 people who found you to spread the word then yes you might get your emiontal need for a challenge sated.

Not very well though.  Probably should check out a medium high server if that is what you want.

 

And you realize that wanting to be on high population servers is emotipnal as well right. Everything is "emotional" as you choose to define it

 

Not really.  If you go over again you can separate "emotional" from "obvious advantage".  The only trick is that some things are done out of a sense of emotion are just plain misplaced.

 

You maybe be on a server because you like the name and made a few friends.  That would be an emotional attachment.  You may have an "emotional" need for action in which case it seems pretty obivous to choose a high population server.

 

You may believe that your "emotional" need for "challenge" will be sated on a non-full server with no caps.  But if you goto to far down and roll low pop you will be wrong because even if there are a lot more destro that does not mean there are a enough.

 

So in the end they are simply projecting their belief of some sort of challenge, which is purely emotional.  Because clearly empty RvR zones are not all that challenging.  They can romanticize the belief that they are the underdog all they.  And they can even be truly far behind in the ratio but 100 destro will never cover the zones even if there are only 10 order.

 

The point being there is no solid obserable advantage to rolling low pop.  The only one that is real and not imaginary or completely arbitrary is queue times.  And there are a number of solid observable objective advantages to going high pop.

 

And I have already stated how queue are not sufficient to inventivize people to go low population once they realize how little action there is in both PvE and PvP.

 

If you rolled low pop because you want a challenge you did so for emotional reason.  Because that challenge does not exist.  So if you are still there it is not for some objective reason.

Make it as wordy as you want. You corrected someone for being emotional but by your definition everything is based on emotion.

On a side note I am curious if you are working on your doctorate in MMOlogy given the amount of writing you have done.

Maybe you are driven by emotion becasue honestly theres no reason to go on and ona nd on like you do. Methinks you get emotionally charged when people dont by into YOUR "logic"

I see your point OP but  you can play on a low server if rvr and PVP are not your main options. I do both because I like both. One I play on a heavy server and a low one. The low one I do PVE and you can do this all the way to 40 and have a blast. I know I not the only one becaues I see other toons playing all around me on th LOW servers. I asked them and there there for the same reasons.. They really dont care about RVR and like the quests and such.. so to each his own.

Like WOW you said.. yet I have a friend that ONLY played WOW for PVP. Yet I never played PVP in WOW..  No differnt than AoC. You can PVE yet the game is build about PVP and with out people its just not fun. Yet War you can to both its build about PVP/RVR and fight for a keep and watch the other guys building a catapult (in closed beta at lvl 30+) is a blast. People need to stay with it ..it will pay off in the end..

When I logged on yesterday, every server was at medium.

Posts like this can be a little misleading.
No mention of what server the OP is refering to.
No mention of at what times the OP plays.
No mention of roughly how many people are actually at an equivelent level.

The OP is in the late 20's, game hasn''t been out a week yet, and I'm getting the impression that the OP was an early access member.  Leveling is NOT that fast.  I play a little more then casually and I'm only at 12/ 12, and I do 90% pvp wich gives much better xp then pve.

I'm sorry, but if you're playing ahead of the leveling curve then you're creating a portion of the problem yourself.  I ran around a T2 zone the other day and didn't see to many people in it, run around the starting zones and there are people all  over the place.

Playing on Bechafen (sp?), in the last two days I've primarilly been doing world PvP.  As order we took the world objectives, held them against pretty even odds, and then me and my friend ran around in the desto questing areas of Nordland killing other players.

I've done every PQ to the end in Nordland, I click the scenario button and within 30 sec I'm in.

But this is my server.  Not every server, and I know that there are only a couple of low pop servers at prime time. 

If you play as on the side of the heavy populated faction you're going to have wait times to enter a scenario, not the other way around.  If you have to wait to do a scenario because there aren't enough of the other faction players to get the matches roatating with more frequency then I'm not really sure how you can't complete a PQ, there should be plenty of you to do them, unless you're ahead of the curve and there aren't enough peope in your level range yet.

It's not the games fault if you rush through the levels.

As a side note, I played on a WoW pvp server.  Every other thread was about pop imbalance.  Mostly it was to many alli and not enough horde, on smolderthorn it was actually the other way around.  I would wait for over 30 min most times to get into a BG when they come out because there weren't enough alli on our server.  It was a pain but I couldn't really complain, I was helping to contribute to the problem; so I kept my mouth shut.

Originally posted by Erindal

I can argue with you. If you have a stand alone complex - then that's just you.

If you can't even find 5 more peoples to complete a PQ - that's just you again.

Who said that you will able to complete a PQ alone? or take a keep?

Full 6 ppl party is ENOUGH to complete ANY PQ in game. Sometimes we managed to complete it in 5 ppl.

Taking a keep... well you need at least 6-10 peoples to kill the Keep Lord depends of your skill. 2 Full parties should not have any problem doing it. But yes - ventrilo and yes - skilled players. That's 12 peoples... 6-12 peoples more to wipe or at least hold the opposite faction. 

Holding/defending the keep will be the problem for you always, but what a deal to take a keep then buy your gear and forget it till you need to get the gear again? 

So in the end of this... you need only one guild with 24 active players to have 4 parties for PQ's and dungeons and a warband for Keeps.

I don't see any problems with low populated servers and i don't see any Mythic's mistakes. But i see your fault in inventing non-existent "mistakes". That's just you and your un-social activities (you can't get 6 peoples to complete a PQ).

I don't think you comprehend what we are talking about. There is no one to group with can't very well group with people who are not there. If you can put together a group of six people when you are the only person in the zone you have some serious grouping skills.
 

I have 30+ hours of play on my charactter and am almost done with tier 2. in that 30 hours I have been in 5 scenarios and I queue up the very first thing when I log in. I have seen an enemy player outside of said scenarios 4 times total. For good chunks of my play time I am lucky if I see 1 or even 2 other people in the same zone as me. Not being able to group has nothing to do with being anti-social. You can't group when there is no one to group with.