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Originally posted by DeserttFoxx

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by DeserttFoxx

Originally posted by c4ligul4

Desertfox its impossible to argue with this kid. He's stubborn as a mule and will keep quoting you and writing a lot of words with no substance until you give up.

 

Yes, i know, I will argue the points on the republican party with anyone, but fishermage is just a troll. He has made it a point to engage in these personal attacks on my posts.  He usually quotes me 3 or 4 times refuting my points by calling me childish, immature telling me i dont know how to argue, and the new one, inchoherant. Never has he actually countered any of my arguements.

 

Ive determined that this guy has no poltical insight of his own, and any substance he can add to a discussion is immediatly appearent.

 

It was no surprise that he would make no effort to actual disprove the statements i made, carrying on the back and forth with him alone serves no purpose and i have no intention of continueing with him.

 

What points have you made? When you say something coherent, I will gladly refute them. When you actually MAKE an argument, I'll counter it. When you resort to namecalling, well then, here we are again. It seems this is where you always end up.

 

I called youa troll once, after you quoted my 3 times telling me i didnt know what i was talking about, read, learn grow and all of that.

 

But, thats it, thanks.

I said you mischarterized the republican party, which you did. I kindly provided you their platform, and you said you didn't need to read that you KNOW the truth. I didn't say you didn't know what you were talking about, but that your position doesn't make any sense, since it has nothing to do with reality. Your view on things is more important than the actual facts? Okayyyyy.

Then you shifted, as you have done before, to namecalling.

Originally posted by DeserttFoxx

How can you be pro life and for the death penaltity?

How can you actually be against gay marriage and then say you have tolrance?

I keep seeing this being hammered and hammered in off topic but I'm finally fed up with it.  I'm going to answer it because they both are used in double standards that paint such a side as descriminating.  One being towards women and one towards sexual orientation.  This such discrimination is false.

Pro life and pro death penalty are both attempts at preserving life as they both prevent further victims who never had the choice to live but were suddenly silenced.

One thought of being against gay marriage is trying to preserve a traditional family.  With all the trouble with youth these days I'm not sure why falling back on something that used to work would be seen as bad.  Civil unions were offered as compromise and show the side at least recoginizing something towards this group.  That shows some tolerance.

Yes this is my opinion but somehow I expect this to be taken as voice for all on such a side.

Originally posted by DeserttFoxx

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by DeserttFoxx

Originally posted by c4ligul4

Desertfox its impossible to argue with this kid. He's stubborn as a mule and will keep quoting you and writing a lot of words with no substance until you give up.

 

Yes, i know, I will argue the points on the republican party with anyone, but fishermage is just a troll. He has made it a point to engage in these personal attacks on my posts.  He usually quotes me 3 or 4 times refuting my points by calling me childish, immature telling me i dont know how to argue, and the new one, inchoherant. Never has he actually countered any of my arguements.

 

Ive determined that this guy has no poltical insight of his own, and any substance he can add to a discussion is immediatly appearent.

 

It was no surprise that he would make no effort to actual disprove the statements i made, carrying on the back and forth with him alone serves no purpose and i have no intention of continueing with him.

 

What points have you made? When you say something coherent, I will gladly refute them. When you actually MAKE an argument, I'll counter it. When you resort to namecalling, well then, here we are again. It seems this is where you always end up.

 

I called youa troll once, after you quoted my 3 times telling me i didnt know what i was talking about, read, learn grow and all of that.

 

But, thats it, thanks.

C4ligu14 is right DessertFoxx. He and those like him are stuck in their ideology and no amount of reason, shouting, insulting or jumpin' up and down is going to change their universe. You would get better and more immediate results if you just beat your head against the wall. Don't waste your breath, ruin your vocal cords shouting or trying to get the attention of those who are deaf, dumb and blind.

Originally posted by keltic1701

Originally posted by DeserttFoxx

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by DeserttFoxx

Originally posted by c4ligul4

Desertfox its impossible to argue with this kid. He's stubborn as a mule and will keep quoting you and writing a lot of words with no substance until you give up.

 

Yes, i know, I will argue the points on the republican party with anyone, but fishermage is just a troll. He has made it a point to engage in these personal attacks on my posts.  He usually quotes me 3 or 4 times refuting my points by calling me childish, immature telling me i dont know how to argue, and the new one, inchoherant. Never has he actually countered any of my arguements.

 

Ive determined that this guy has no poltical insight of his own, and any substance he can add to a discussion is immediatly appearent.

 

It was no surprise that he would make no effort to actual disprove the statements i made, carrying on the back and forth with him alone serves no purpose and i have no intention of continueing with him.

 

What points have you made? When you say something coherent, I will gladly refute them. When you actually MAKE an argument, I'll counter it. When you resort to namecalling, well then, here we are again. It seems this is where you always end up.

 

I called youa troll once, after you quoted my 3 times telling me i didnt know what i was talking about, read, learn grow and all of that.

 

But, thats it, thanks.

C4ligu14 is right DessertFoxx. He and those like him are stuck in their ideology and no amount of reason, shouting, insulting or jumpin' up and down is going to change their universe. You would get better and more immediate results if you just beat your head against the wall. Don't waste your breath, ruin your vocal cords shouting or trying to get the attention of those who are deaf, dumb and blind.

Then why are you, he and C4ligu14 the ones who find you have to resort to namecalling and personal attacks?

Originally posted by Narug

Originally posted by DeserttFoxx

How can you be pro life and for the death penaltity?

How can you actually be against gay marriage and then say you have tolrance?

 

I keep seeing this being hammered and hammered in off topic but I'm finally fed up with it.  I'm going to answer it because they both are used in double standards that paint such a side as descriminating.  One being towards women and one towards sexual orientation.  This such discrimination is false.

Pro life and pro death penalty are both attempts at preserving life as they both prevent further victims who never had the choice to live but were suddenly silenced.

One thought of being against gay marriage is trying to preserve a traditional family.  With all the trouble with youth these days I'm not sure why falling back on something that used to work would be seen as bad.  Civil unions were offered as compromise and show the side at least recoginizing something towards this group.  That shows some tolerance.

Yes this is my opinion but somehow I expect this to be taken as voice for all on such a side.

While i have no interest in argueing the pro life and pro death thing, as i am quite certain nobody would agree with my views on that subject,, gay marriage is however a different story.

You saying that it preserves tradition makes it seem as though all heterosexual couple are faithful.  The problem with civil unions are, it is not the same, they dont have all the same legal rights as a husband and wife who are concidered legally married.

Your arguement is posed as if, if you say gay marriage is legal then more people will just choose to be gay. There is nothing to prove that a child brought up with two moms or two dads is worst off then a child brought up with a mom or a dad, or more likely in this day and age, a mom and a dad who live in seperate houses, since the divorce rate is so high. Gay Marriage is legal in a lot of other countries, one of them being canada, and as far as i know, no one has bursted out in sudden homosexualaity.

 You cant show some tolorance on this issue, it is blatant bigotry inducted into law. And all it does today, is it makes it alright to hate gay people for being gay. They are used as punchlines to jokes today the same way blacks were used back in the 60s. They overtly attacked just for being who they are, and it is often overlooked.

I am all for condoning family, and the family unit, but it is time to adjust our view of the family unit in this day and age.Gays exist, Lesbiens exist, and Heterosexuals exist, What does it say to kids growing up with gay parents when society says they dont condone their relationship? Too me it tells kids that they arent  living in a  functional household regardless of how much love is aparent, And it is just not true. Orientation plays no role in the structure of the family unit, and there is no way you can argue that it does.

Originally posted by Narug

Originally posted by DeserttFoxx

How can you be pro life and for the death penaltity?

How can you actually be against gay marriage and then say you have tolrance?

 

I keep seeing this being hammered and hammered in off topic but I'm finally fed up with it.  I'm going to answer it because they both are used in double standards that paint such a side as descriminating.  One being towards women and one towards sexual orientation.  This such discrimination is false.

Pro life and pro death penalty are both attempts at preserving life as they both prevent further victims who never had the choice to live but were suddenly silenced.

One thought of being against gay marriage is trying to preserve a traditional family.  With all the trouble with youth these days I'm not sure why falling back on something that used to work would be seen as bad.  Civil unions were offered as compromise and show the side at least recoginizing something towards this group.  That shows some tolerance.

Yes this is my opinion but somehow I expect this to be taken as voice for all on such a side.

And I am pro-choice, against the death penalty. For gay marriage, not just civil unions, in fact, if you're gay, and can demonstrate to me that you love each other and want to make a lifetime commitment, I'll marry you to one another, provided it's legal in your state.

I also understand and respect people who feel differently than me on the issues. I think that's fairly tolerant.

Originally posted by DeserttFoxx

While i have no interest in argueing the pro life and pro death thing, as i am quite certain nobody would agree with my views on that subject,, gay marriage is however a different story.

You saying that it preserves tradition makes it seem as though all heterosexual couple are faithful.  The problem with civil unions are, it is not the same, they dont have all the same legal rights as a husband and wife who are concidered legally married.

Your arguement is posed as if, if you say gay marriage is legal then more people will just choose to be gay. There is nothing to prove that a child brought up with two moms or two dads is worst off then a child brought up with a mom or a dad, or more likely in this day and age, a mom and a dad who live in seperate houses, since the divorce rate is so high. Gay Marriage is legal in a lot of other countries, one of them being canada, and as far as i know, no one has bursted out in sudden homosexualaity.

 You cant show some tolorance on this issue, it is blatant bigotry inducted into law. And all it does today, is it makes it alright to hate gay people for being gay. They are used as punchlines to jokes today the same way blacks were used back in the 60s. They overtly attacked just for being who they are, and it is often overlooked.

I am all for condoning family, and the family unit, but it is time to adjust our view of the family unit in this day and age.Gays exist, Lesbiens exist, and Heterosexuals exist, What does it say to kids growing up with gay parents when society says they dont condone their relationship? Too me it tells kids that they arent  living in a  functional household regardless of how much love is aparent, And it is just not true. Orientation plays no role in the structure of the family unit, and there is no way you can argue that it does.

See folks.  This is the problem that's common to this side.  They add in things you don't say.  I thought my talk of youth would've shown my true purpose there.

Okay.  If you can show as much tragedy with youth in the past that happened in the present with disasters like school shootings, rising teen pregnancies, and lack of discipline then you can probably hand yourself the keys to this debate.  Stick to your 60's and pre-60's timeline since you set the surf up.  For now I'm not moving.

Not all changes err...adjustments are beneficial towards children and the interests of children should be the most important in the family structure.  Not what change in policy we can make.

As for hate against sexual orientation I sure can't see it in public.  I've lived in Louisiana and now Texas in which the South is the very home of racism.

The other issues can be reversed on you as well.  Especially the faithful part as not all are immune.