Age of Conan

Originally posted by AmazingAvery

 The difference is I am here to give news on the game I am interested in and pay to play.

There is a big difference between me and the people like the OP telling people not to play and pleading with them - heard me say "go sub to the game lately?"  I have dished out a few dozen trial keys in that thread up the top under the premise of "you better try it before you buy it".

The third difference is I am a current concurrent subscriber, I am not someone who played the game for the first week or month who is still posting here telling you what they think the game is like based on outdated information.

Its all relative at the end of the day, those interested can read between the lines and make their own mind up - I certainly don't need to do that.

This really is beside the point of this thread but I was in beta for many months and subscribed for 4 months after launch. I have one lvl 80 PoM and 3 others lvl 60+. So I know what I'm talking about. I had good times with AoC but the endgame just wasn't there. And everyone who has been there knows what I'm talking about. Also I have a friend playing on Aquilonia server and he said that servers are NOT booming and these newest updates are not as AMAZING as some people, like yourself, try to make us believe.

I think the biggest difference between you and me Avery, is that you are a AoC correspondent who gets a free steak dinner from FC every time you find 10 new victims who are dumb enough to subscribe. I'm just a regular guy who like MMO's. Everyone who has been to these forums for more than once  know that Avery has his own agenda and has zero objectivity regarding AoC.

It's funny how fanbois and FC employees on these forums try to make me the "bad guy", a nolife hater, who has nothing better to do than to try to sink FC while FC is the "good guy" who's just trying to make the game better to feed their families.  I guess when you cannot deny the facts and have no valid arguments, all that is left is personal attacks :)

Like I said before, this thread is about LYING and FALSE ADVERTISING and how we as customers need to send a message to stop this kind of behaviour. And I think we already have.

FC is a company that was founded on lies and deciet. Just check out the old Gaute interview about the early days where he said they lied to investors to get funding for AO. He thought it was funny. With this kind of corporate culture, I'm not surprised with what happened with AoC.

I study marketing myself and business ethics is very important to me. Without the lying and deciet by FC management I would have never started this thread and would have moved on a long time ago. It's ok to be incompetent and make mediocre games, but it's NOT ok to lie and and cheat people to get them preorder and pay for beta. 

Originally posted by AmazingAvery

The third difference is I am a current concurrent subscriber, I am not someone who played the game for the first week or month who is still posting here telling you what they think the game is like based on outdated information.

Why do all you fanboys keep throwing that excuse around? I said it once before and I'll say it again:

It does not make sense for me to remain subscribed to a game I did not like just so I can stay updated on what is happening with it.

It would be like if you bought a used car from a used car dealership, got it home and found out that it had no engine, no brakes and the radio only plays the oldies station. Would you keep the car? Of course not! You would take it back to the dealership and demand a refund! But after you returned the defective car, would you go back to that same dealership every week and ask to buy the car again so you could try it out one more time to see if they fixed it up any? Duh, of course you wouldn't! That would be stupid. Instead you would warn all your friends to stay away from that car dealership and you would go to a different dealership to buy a better car.

AoC is the exact same way. Those of us who played the game and didn't like it have no reason to go back! And we aren't going to keep paying for the game to confirm its bad, because that would be stupid. And if we did keep paying for the game just so we could complain about how bad it is, you know what you would say then? "Oh if you don't like the game then just quit!" This is just your classic fanboy defense. Instead of actually talking about the game, you beat around the bush and try to run off anyone with a differing opinion by coming up with various flawed excuses for why you don't think they have a right to give their opinion.

Well I hate to tell you but this is a public forum. If we don't like the game and we want to tell people that we don't like the game, we have every right to do so.

Besides, another thing I've said many times before, I quit the game because the basic premise is falwed! The combat system is not as great as they hyped it up to be and the game itself is just not appealing to me because it offers very little character development or freedom. These factors have NOT changed in the last few months. Funcom can fix bugs and add more content, but it won't alter the reasons why I originally quit the game. So my information is still completely accurate and not outdated at all.

So your arguement fails on every possible level.

Originally posted by Raltar

Originally posted by AmazingAvery

The third difference is I am a current concurrent subscriber, I am not someone who played the game for the first week or month who is still posting here telling you what they think the game is like based on outdated information.

 

Why do all you fanboys keep throwing that excuse around? I said it once before and I'll say it again:

It does not make sense for me to remain subscribed to a game I did not like just so I can stay updated on what is happening with it.

It would be like if you bought a used car from a used car dealership, got it home and found out that it had no engine, no brakes and the radio only plays the oldies station. Would you keep the car? Of course not! You would take it back to the dealership and demand a refund! But after you returned the defective car, would you go back to that same dealership every week and ask to buy the car again so you could try it out one more time to see if they fixed it up any? Duh, of course you wouldn't! That would be stupid. Instead you would warn all your friends to stay away from that car dealership and you would go to a different dealership to buy a better car.

AoC is the exact same way. Those of us who played the game and didn't like it have no reason to go back! And we aren't going to keep paying for the game to confirm its bad, because that would be stupid. And if we did keep paying for the game just so we could complain about how bad it is, you know what you would say then? "Oh if you don't like the game then just quit!" This is just your classic fanboy defense. Instead of actually talking about the game, you beat around the bush and try to run off anyone with a differing opinion by coming up with various flawed excuses for why you don't think they have a right to give their opinion.

Well I hate to tell you but this is a public forum. If we don't like the game and we want to tell people that we don't like the game, we have every right to do so.

Besides, another thing I've said many times before, I quit the game because the basic premise is falwed! The combat system is not as great as they hyped it up to be and the game itself is just not appealing to me because it offers very little character development or freedom. These factors have NOT changed in the last few months. Funcom can fix bugs and add more content, but it won't alter the reasons why I originally quit the game. So my information is still completely accurate and not outdated at all.

So your arguement fails on every possible level.

I'm sorry but what does anything you just said, have to do with what he posted? No one is telling you to play a game you don't like. Why would anyone expect you to stick around?

First off his point is valid. What he's referring to is a completely legitimate observation. There's plenty of posters on this forum who do exactly as he said (argue points with out of date info). Maybe you're not one of them, personally I gave up keeping track of who said what around here long ago (so I really wouldn't know). Regardless, people who quit because of design reasons really wouldn't be counted in that. So I really don't think he's talking about you personally.

Secondly, whats with the idea that there's an obligation to discuss the game with you? If you want to talk about things that could improve be my guest, start the conversation I'll contribute. However, if you want to argue with people over things we have no control over( what you enjoy, how FC designed this or that system etc... ) I'll pass.

Lastly if it bothers you so much that AOC is designed a certain way, why would you even bother checking this forum out? I'm not trying to dictate what you do in anyway, Its a sincere question. You have said, you have no desire to ever play again.  The overall game design is a very easy chain of information to aquire. Therefor you're not really helping anyone, you're merely baiting as I see it right now.

Originally posted by Malickie

Lastly if it bothers you so much that AOC is designed a certain way, why would you even bother checking this forum out? I'm not trying to dictate what you do in anyway, Its a sincere question. You have said, you have no desire to ever play again.  The overall game design is a very easy chain of information to aquire. Therefor you're not really helping anyone, you're merely baiting as I see it right now.

It's basic psychology. FC has treated its customers like crap and now it's payback time. We get pleasure from seeing AoC stock go down.

I really don't care If fanbois have a problem with that. Cry all you want if it makes you feel better. This is a public forum and we have the right to express our oppinions.

I personally love when bad products and companies fail, because in the end, we as customers win.

Originally posted by Scared

Originally posted by Malickie

Lastly if it bothers you so much that AOC is designed a certain way, why would you even bother checking this forum out? I'm not trying to dictate what you do in anyway, Its a sincere question. You have said, you have no desire to ever play again.  The overall game design is a very easy chain of information to aquire. Therefor you're not really helping anyone, you're merely baiting as I see it right now.

 It's basic psychology. FC has treated its customers like crap and now it's payback time. We get pleasure from seeing AoC stock go down.

Sacred has the right idea in anwser to this question. I think he took it in the wrong direction by talking about "payback" and "stock" however.

The issue here is that Funcom released AoC in an unfinished, buggy and uninteresting condition. They lied to their customers and mistreated them. Nothing they do now or change about the game will erase the mistakes they have already made.

The reason I post here is because I want to see Funcom be held accountable for their mistakes. MMO developers (and in fact the entire gaming industry these days) pull these kinds of stunts way too often. customers get screwed over way too frequently. And it happens because people like you let it happen!  When consumers take the attitude of "aw yeah, the game was bad awhile ago but thats the way it works, you should re-subscribe now that its better" you send the wrong message to game developers! You are telling them that if they screw you over, steal your money and lie to you, all they need to do is slightly improve their product and wait six months, then all will be forgiven. Do you think that message is going to keep them from screwing you over and lieing to you in the future? NO!

Don't let Funcom get away with what they have done here. They lied to you, mistreated you and sold you a product they knew wasn't what you wanted. They think its okay to do that. Are you going to let them continue to think that?

Originally posted by Greek_Matt

No, you've largely misunderstood the upcoming changes.

Read this post if you want to get the full lowdown on the latest patch 3.0. In particular, the changes that relate to your concerns are as follows:

• For each attack in the combo chain that you do without a valid target, your end damage (on the combo finisher) is reduced 15% per miss.

• You can now only receive the benefit from Momentum (double-tap forward) and Sidestep (double-tap sideways) once every 6 seconds.

• Added a 6 second internal cooldown to the double-tap backwards Evasion buff.

• The double-tap backwards evasion buff now increases evade chance by 25% (down from 50%).

In other words, they are not making combat "simpler" per se, rather they're toning down the value of the hugely unrealistic 'kiting' tactic in melee combat whereby a fighter rushes/jumps around into and out of melee range (and is incredibly hard to hit because of massive Evasion buffs from leaping), only swooping in for the final finishing strike of a combo yet still dealing the full damage for the whole combo.

Regarding armour becoming more important, the new Director's address does suggest that this will be the case in future updates. He rightly pointed out that currently there's little progression in the power level of most gear between low and high level, such that it's quite common to be wearing equipment that you've had for the last ten or twenty levels which is still as or more useful as/than anything else you find. How heavily this will impact on PVP remains to be seen, but whatever happens it will still be some way off. Doubtless it will result in less naked PvP (except perhaps amongst Dark Desires members).

 

 

Ok, it helps :) IThese changes looks good. But some people wrote about simplified combos and stuff, so it's not true? Maybe they have plans to make them more simple in future... Anyway - i was too quick to jump to conclusions, we'll see how it goes.

I always said I would resub when they finished the game.  I don't think they are quite there yet, but they have some great core mechanics.  If something different from the norm doesn't come along I am sure I will resub one day.  AoC was a lot of fun while the content was there, and the game worked.