Darkfall

Originally posted by winter

Originally posted by Morrdread

 

this just further points out your ignorence. 5 year old outdated quotes about an outdated version of the game itself and nothing but vauge statements, hold just as much merit and are just as official as this years statements about an entirely differnt darkfall all togather?

How is it you do not understand that everything the devs have ever said in the earlier years was said very carefully to keep as vauge as possible with no promises attatched? You dont seem like your stupid, so im sure if youve read them yourself you could point out exactly how undescriptive and uninformative everything they have said was. THEY PROMISED NOTHING AND LIED ABOUT NOTHING! They had clan beta signups for an entirely differnt darkfall then todays.  They scraped that build and started over. how is that so hard to grasp? This is the darkfall they wanted from the start, the darkfall that technology wouldnt let exist at the time of thier old project.

I honestly doubt you have any hopes of this game being successful considering you have never said 1 positive thing about it. you speak like your of neutrallity and of both extreams being wrong while the entire time you seem to always be on one side. your hypocracy is very clear.

Its obvious some people will just not see the glass  half full, and will have to wait for open beta to make sure the evil devs arnt pulling a fast one!! So when it comes, and it will come soon, i'll gladly come back to these forums to see everyone spouting "i told you so!" wether its the fanbase saying it to the haters, or the haters saying it to the fanbase, I guess all we can do is wait and see.

 Humm so according to you DF was scrapped several times most recently last year? I'd be carefull calling anyone else ignorant when your own arguement is so full of holes.

 Yes we get the point anything that doesn't agree with your arguement / opinion is unimportant. only things that agree with you opinion have any merrit. Odd you can't see who is wearing the blinders as all those post made up from last year back to 2003 (no they aren't all 5 year old post as your arguement states) were from the same people whose posts you believe 100% this year. The vaporware troll and the fanatic Fanbois are just 2 sides of the same coin, both are just as ignorant to truth.
 

  If you say so friend, you have no idea what your talking about. You have a handfull of random dev quotes and think you know what your talking about. If youve been following DFO for 5+ years like I have youd understand how close we are now to the final product. Do you really think any sort of fanbase would stick that long with the development of a game thats surely gunna fail, full of false promises, and lying developers? The people who have been around know whats goin on and we are not excatly stupid or easily manipulated. We all have our doubts, we have been through it before, but this time is very different. they actually started scrapping less important things from the launch, usuing actual dates instead of "SOON TM", there are signed publishers and events being held, newspaper articles, beta testing, videos   (we were lucky to get a model rendering) people actually goin to greece on vacation and playing it themselves.

There is nothing out there worth my money in the MMO world anymore, and if this turns out like shit... ill quit all togather, sell my desktop, and get a shitty laptop for browsing the web. might as well play console games.

Originally posted by Theodgrim

Thanks, that was actually the sort of reply I hoped for. I didnt post it to be a dick, or a troll, or to entice either of those types to reply. All I was looking for was someone to understand that I have REASONABLE doubts.

I did not make that stuff up, it was what we were being told by the devs. They never said they were remaking the game from scratch, needed to do major overhauls, or anything of the sort. It was always just out of reach. So, maybe some will understand why we have learned to be skeptical. 
 

You should be commended Theodgrim.   You presented nothing more than a extraordinarily complete history of Darkfall's convoluted development with references to back it up.

Facts are something too often lacking in discussions in the MMORPG community, not just Darkfall but any game on this site.

You are perfectly justified to say you have reasonable doubts about the game.    The fact that anyone can look over that history and NOT have reasonable doubts is ridiculous.    

That's not to say one can't still support and follow the game while having those doubts.    But it is more than reasonable, at this point it should be mandatory to have caution color any excitement over developer annoucements or hype.

Given that history, I'm very interested to see if Aventurine will be able to pull it off.   It will certainly be a epic acheivement given the past of their developement  if they do. 

Originally posted by Alienovrlord

Originally posted by Theodgrim

Thanks, that was actually the sort of reply I hoped for. I didnt post it to be a dick, or a troll, or to entice either of those types to reply. All I was looking for was someone to understand that I have REASONABLE doubts.

I did not make that stuff up, it was what we were being told by the devs. They never said they were remaking the game from scratch, needed to do major overhauls, or anything of the sort. It was always just out of reach. So, maybe some will understand why we have learned to be skeptical. 
 

 

You should be commended Theodgrim.   You presented nothing more than a extraordinarily complete history of Darkfall's convoluted development with references to back it up.

Facts are something too often lacking in discussions in the MMORPG community, not just Darkfall but any game on this site.

You are perfectly justified to say you have reasonable doubts about the game.    The fact that anyone can look over that history and NOT have reasonable doubts is ridiculous.    

That's not to say one can't still support and follow the game while having those doubts.    But it is more than reasonable, at this point it should be mandatory to have caution color any excitement over developer annoucements or hype.

Given that history, I'm very interested to see if Aventurine will be able to pull it off.   It will certainly be a epic acheivement given the past of their developement  if they do. 

 

Look at the history of mythic and funcom, obviously it holds no bearing as to the final product considering 30% of warhammer online was scrapped right before launch not to mention full of bugs, and we dont even have to talk about AoCs failure. everyone belived in them and its wrong to believe in our game? shit world of warcraft has to patch something every month to try and hotfix its host of problems, and usually just creates more.

 the only thing we can judge is the final product and i have faith in it, faith that it will blow the shitty compition out of the water even if its half feature complete. we all have our doubts, everything stated by the majority of skeptics has been in our head for years, I just choose to focus on the cup being half full because this is my only hope to ressurect a dying genre. if you think thats ridiculous you just fail to understand :-P

Originally posted by Theodgrim

 

Originally posted by winter

Can anyone not understand how people would have doubts about DF, and Tasos's word after this? For most of us soon is not 3+ years.

Thanks, that was actually the sort of reply I hoped for. I didnt post it to be a dick, or a troll, or to entice either of those types to reply. All I was looking for was someone to understand that I have REASONABLE doubts.

I did not make that stuff up, it was what we were being told by the devs. They never said they were remaking the game from scratch, needed to do major overhauls, or anything of the sort. It was always just out of reach. So, maybe some will understand why we have learned to be skeptical. 
 

We all know why you skeptical , what we don't know is why you have to come here to express it ?

We know about about the past and if the past has disappointed you why you here to repeat and to repeat your doubts? You can do other things that means more to you and you have more faith in them.

The devs have the best overview of the game and they do or do not give the info to the public why and why not they released earlier...

The info that is important for the moment is that DF get beta 2008 ...

References to the past are irrelevant for this event ..if they mean something for the doubters then they should stop participating in this forum  because there is nothing to accomplish here for them except to troll ..

Well once beta is actually started then a lot more faith will be put in DFO as far as it actually releasing.  However, beta is just beta.  I want to actually see the game launch, successfully.  Furthermore, I'd like to see it done by Q2 2009.  That may be unrealistic considering how slow the progress has been up to this date.

Darkfall has a lot of great concepts that I've been waiting for such as the skill-based instead of this dumb level base crap that is always coming out and of course the sandbox feature:) but I need to see it actually function well with thousands of people logged in at the same time.  Only time will tell.

Originally posted by Stellos

Well once beta is actually started then a lot more faith will be put in DFO as far as it actually releasing.  However, beta is just beta.  I want to actually see the game launch, successfully.  Furthermore, I'd like to see it done by Q2 2009.  That may be unrealistic considering how slow the progress has been up to this date.

Darkfall has a lot of great concepts that I've been waiting for such as the skill-based instead of this dumb level base crap that is always coming out and of course the sandbox feature:) but I need to see it actually function well with thousands of people logged in at the same time.  Only time will tell.

The trolls change their stance as fast as the ..

First it was vaporware,

Then it was bad graphics,

Then it was going to fail,

Now entering beta stage (most cried for from the trolls) will not cut it either?

seriously, you guys crack me up

btw do you think Aventurine cares that you "furthermore would lieke to see it done by Q2 2009" who the friggin do you think you are?

Cosmic Adventurer Rendered Endevouring Big Encourching An-al Rehasher?
or
Translutional Rough Olympic Leaderless Land?

First, I understand that people have reasonable doubts about this game. However, the devs have not actually made any of the promises that many seem to think they have broken. Also, due in a large part to elusive commenting they have engaged in, they have yet to lie to us. Why should they start lying now?

Originally posted by Morrdread:

I dont see a point in there being an in-between. you either believe or you dont, whats the point in being confused about it? The people who love everything about it and believe in it will ultimatley enjoy the game that much more when it finally comes. people who doubt everything wont even enjoy themselves because they will be trying to find something wrong with it the entire time.

Morrdread, your right to post on this topic should be revoked. There is always a continum in these kinds of issues. To see things in such a dichotomy shows that you have little intelligence when it comes to this debate. In other words you have allowed your passion for DF to blind your sense of reason.

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

We all know why you skeptical , what we don't know is why you have to come here to express it ?

We know about about the past and if the past has disappointed you why you here to repeat and to repeat your doubts? You can do other things that means more to you and you have more faith in them.

The devs have the best overview of the game and they do or do not give the info to the public why and why not they released earlier...

The info that is important for the moment is that DF get beta 2008 ...

References to the past a