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Things i hate about forums.. only one thing..

If you don't agree with someone you are either a fanboi or a troll.  There just can't be another opinion if it doesn't match yours.

Community... probably only that it used to be a lot better in the days of UO and EQ1... ya my full loot open pvp game had a better community than most anything I can log into today.. and I didn't even like EQ but I had a lot of friends there.

Originally posted by Gyrus

Originally posted by WRyan

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First of all, there is nothing I hate more than people automatically writing someone off as a troll, just because they dislike a game.

Okay, so there are some trolls lurking about out there.  I really don't care about them so much, since it's obvious that they are merely trying to devalue an otherwise productive community, and you can see them coming a mile away.

What I'm talking about is someone who is genuinely displeased with a game and/or some aspect(s) of it, clearly stating that they are not trolling, but offering well thought out, superbly written, civil, good constructive criticisms, that in most cases are true pitfalls of the game - all to be underminded by some idiot fanboi's response of "GO BACK TO WoW TROLL!!!  L 2 PLAY NOOB!!!"  I realise, I unapologetically just stereotyped the modern fanboy, but whatever....

What bugs me about that is that the guys writing about their concerns, do so because they see an area that could use some work.  These other guys, who somehow think they are saving the community and devs a lot of trouble, end up only hurting it by creating the illusion that there is nothing wrong with their game.

I'm a realist, folks.  I was absolutely in love with the original SWG.  I understand how it feels to like a game a lot, not wanting anyone to talk negatively about it.  But I'm also.... not a moron.  As much as I liked SWG, I couldn't help but plainly see everything that was wrong with the game, and why it drastically needed SOMETHING done to it.  It bothers me that not everyone can see both sides of a coin.

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This.

 

The Fanbois.  "Fanboi" being the correct spelling BTW ;-P.

I don't mind genuine fans of the game.  Because you can be a fan and still be able to see fault (as you said).
But Fanbois...???

What do they hope to gain? 
Well, actually, I think I know what motivates them.  They are hoping that all their sucking up will get them noticed by the Devs and that they will somehow get "promoted".
That sounds silly right?  Well, actually, Funcom did exactly that when they made a number of Fanbois - Moderators.
*Shakes head sadly*

As gamers, we should be trying to encourage Devs to make good games and supporting those that do.
We should be joining communities with the goal of helping to make the game better.

Sadly though, the Fanbois tell every Dev that their game is "perfect" from conception and drown out those with genuine and valid concerns.  Then when the game goes live, and those concerns are realized the Fanbois drop the whole thing and move on to the next title.

 

They are the bane of my forum existence.  They turn every legitimate gripe inte a flame war, all while /agreeing with each other and grandstanding. Honestly I rarely ever see "trolls", I usually see people who have a concern and either make it known to get feedback or give information. Negative posts are extremely useful in game development and only the most narcissistic dev would reward the sycophantic, often belligerent posts of these vermin by actually making them mods. Its that type of mindset that brought Failcom to its knees. They and their fanboi lapdogs deserve the same miserable fate. Extinction.

Originally posted by merv808

Everyone has their pet peeves, here is your chance to vent about them....

I'll start.

I hate when people come to forums and ask how they should build their character.

Whenever we finally get a game that has great  character customization, everyone still runs around with the exact same build because they read on the forums that it was the best. Nothing is more annoying to me.

The best build should be the character you play, played the way tou want to play it. Character creation and development should be about personal creativity.

Feed the hatre more keep whining about others well done topic failed.

The general negativity on the forums. Hence I rarely look or post in them. I just go and enjoy the game I am playing.

Originally posted by merv808

Everyone has their pet peeves, here is your chance to vent about them....

I'll start.

I hate when people come to forums and ask how they should build their character.

Whenever we finally get a game that has great  character customization, everyone still runs around with the exact same build because they read on the forums that it was the best. Nothing is more annoying to me.

The best build should be the character you play, played the way tou want to play it. Character creation and development should be about personal creativity.

I really do not hate anything about it. I love to read the ridiculous statements the fanbois make. The trolls are fun and crack me up. So all in all I love it all that is why I come here.

the only people really is the people who beat their chest about their favoured game while gleefully deeming every other mmo rubbish.

There are a few things I don't care for that have evolved over the last few years...

The extreme polarization of opinion. If you write something positive about a game, you are a "blind fanboi". If you write something negative, you are a "hater or troll". It gets pretty hard to actually discuss anything about any game without degenerating into a mud slinging match.

The Drama Queens. Yes, most MMO's have had a bad launch, shame on them but really, don't pre-order and do some frickin research before you buy a game. Another thing, SWG vets...get over it. Its tiresome, its not clever, entertaining, informative or even interesting to read at this point. Five years of your pissing and moaning over a video game.

"WoW vs" or "WoW killer" threads....just...stop...it. The game is a phenomena just leave it at that. Things will change in due time. 

That's just me though, I know many enjoy that sort of thing.

Elitism.

I don't like it when people act like the people in their playstyle are the select few most mature and intelligent.

I don't like it when PvP advocates do it.

I don't like it when hardcore grinders do it.

I don't even like it when sandboxers or Rpers do it, even though I think both of those are good things.

You're only hurting yourself when you say that your playstyle makes you special or superior.  You're not likely to get the games you want unless you're willing to reach out to new people, and convince them they should join you, or at least that you can cooexist.

You're not likely to achieve that by going around calling them carebears and noobs, and telling them they're too stupid and immature to understand how awesome your playstyle is.

1.  The lack of ability to have a regular discussion without it devolving, usually within the first page, into being called a fanboi, troll, hater, shill etc. by both extreme ends of the MMO.

2. The use of opinion as a fact ....Example
     "<Insert game> is a total piece of crap" is an opinion statement, not fact

3. When people throw out unsubstantiated rumor or reports they see on the internet as "facts", who never take the time themselves to research whether its true or not, yet fight tooth and nail when those reports/rumors are questioned or proven wrong.

4. Attempts by "haters" and "fanbois" when an argument is going south for them to resort to personal attacks on the person they were arguing with.

5. Drama Queens that bemoan every update/hotfix/expansion/change as the "death' of the game and drone on for days/weeks/years in virtual, self-inflicted purgatory to the rest of the community. They become a nusiance to the board(s) and in the process they end up committing alot of the actions in 1-4 in the extreme in attempts to validate their actions.  

6. Falsely believing that privately owned forums are protected as free speech under the US Constitution and any moderation, deletions of posts or banning of individuals are illegal.