WAR (Warhammer Online)

Originally posted by Apraxis

Originally posted by madmax286

One second there Apraxis,

I consider myself a casual gamer and play MMO's from 5 to 8 hours per week and I do read the the MMORPG.com forums when I see an interesting discussion going on which doesn't turn into a flamefest ( this topic for example).

Now Warhammer is, for the moment at least, the most efficient game I play. What do I mean by that? I log for only 2 hours and play for 2 hours. They have minimized downtime. No more looking for groups, endless traveling  (I made this comment earlier in this topic as well). In other games I might have logged for 2 hours but my gametime would have been 30mins tops considering all the time sinks. Unfortunately today I don't have the time I had when I was a student and could devote 8-10 hours of playtime in a game. 

From a casual gamers perspective what is currently happening in WAR is very good. Granted, the community of this game should come together. The developer should help in this direction by providing elements both in game and out of it (more chat channels and official forums perhaps). But then again providing those elements might become a boomerang (devil's advocate here). Nevertheless, the fact that the basic principle of WAR is supporting casual gamers by minimizing downtime is a very strong point in my book.

At the same time I really wish the game companies would evolve the genre beyond games like WoW, War or EQ providing more sandbox games. I'm certain there is a segment of the  market out there waiting for a game like this which the consumer base would surely support.  

 

Ok, granted, you are maybe one of the very few casuals reading and posting at mmorpg.com or any forum.

And for the record.. it is not your fault, that we the old schoolers(or a lot of) are not happy with the trend of the mmorpgs genre, as much as it is not the fault for the finance oriented companies. The companies do, what is their purpose, making money.. and the make the most money with games for the majority.. and the majority nowadays are gamers like you. And it is absolutely ok, that casuals like you have games for their necessities. Well.. from time to time even i nowadays tend to be more of  casual(at least i am now 32 years old.. and time becomes rare occasionally)

But with 32 years, and 25 years of gaming i think sometimes back, as game designers were gamers and just wanted to make their dream game(and money was not so much of a interest). Where their were games, which were very demanding and challenging(like solo rpgs with over 150 hours of playtimes, anyone see something like that recently?) and really hard to play through, when even possible(like chaos strike back), were innovation and fun was the key for new developments(when i think about games like lemmings, black&white, Z and to much to name all here), then i miss those old times, and those game developers.. because there are just a few out there nowadays, and it is a lot harder for them to compete with the tremendous amount of money from the big companies(graphical packaging, advertisement and withit hype, and what not)

However.. as i said before, the time goes on, and we have to live withit, and accept those changes.

The big problem in innovation, is that it often results in a business failure, or something far from success.

A Tale in the Desert?

Saga of Ryzom?

Auto Assault?

Neocron?

Pirates of the Burning Sea?

Tabula Rasa?

Face of Mankind?

All of those have deviated, in some way or another, away from the current traditional style of MMORPG's, and each one has performed poorly. But they were all rubbish I hear you cry. Maybe they were rubbish because of their deviation?

How many of those, and others like them, have you tried? ( you the reader ). It's no wonder developers, or investors, shy away and leave us with the tried and tested model.

The problem isnt innovation.The problem is, when the devs actually manage to embrace a good idea and not screw it up, which is like almost never,all they then do is throw that good idea into the same old crap stew.

And the thing is, the best meat in the world is not gonna be enough to get people to like chamber pot stew...

Almost the whole design for mmos needs to be scrapped, and the dinosaurs that keep using it over and over with it.

Innovation needs to be the core AND the elements, not some one or two spices thrown into a stale boring horrid dish ....

The MMO industry keeps doing its best to put its own equivilants of Kenneth Lay in charge...And they get the same results..,.over and over...

The game is great but it does get more and more lonely for me. Even the guild I was in doesn't even talk. PQ is a good thing though as it does let ya get into a group and chat to kill stuff. I LOVE that aspect... I'm going to keep playing for now though because i... like many others... agree that it is a great game so I will at least play it untill something else comes out... or maybe they will merge the servers or something.

Aion, GW2, and the Lego MMO are the ones I'm most looking forward to... Sadly all of them are far away... but then there is also LotRO... I'm not sure what to do... but I do think this is a great game... the best in a long long time.

We all like different games, some people will not like WAR...and that is fine.  Post your reviews, debate it and go find a different game.  Warhammer does alot of this right, and some things couldve been done better. But I must say im surprised at how many critics decided to just materialize.

All of a sudden every gamer is a critic after two weeks after a game is released. IMHO none of you (or myself) have a right to post a review being it positive or negative. I dont care how much you played in 2 weeks or what your 10 year experiance playing older games was like.  I am a EQ Vet and I have seen many launches myself.  Not all games turn out to be the same as they were at launch.   In fact NO GAMES are the same as they were at launch.  You guys want to write a good review of a MMORPG? Then wait 6 months - 2 years go in and play the game see where the devs took it.. then post a review.  MMORPG's are the hardest type of game to review for because so many things can change.  Now I myself find WAR enjoyable...it was hard for me to adjust given my normal 5-15 hour gameplay days from the old EQ...those were the days lol.

Here is a good example to consider:

Everquest was a great game, with a great community and trading system...mainly right outside Freeport in the caves to the Oasis if im not mistaken...for all those vets that remember those days.  Anyway the traveling system and community was very close....then Shadows of Luclin (I think) released and allowed players to use books to transport themselves all over the world..this limited the travel abilities of Druids and Wizards because of the change...and graphical upgrade as well.  Many people were upset because they werent used to the new graphics...and alot of Wizards and Druids were pissed because they lost one of their major incomes...mainly teleporting people around for a few PP here and there. 

My point:

Games change...give it a chance before you ladies and gentlemen feel the nessecity to bash it to the extent you are.  And if even one of you replies to this with excuses about experiance...and wow...or any other game that your comparing it to?  I dont care. We arent in that games forum are we? Get over it.

 Normally I stay away from these threads but WAR is getting torn apart by people so some constructive crit needs to be added.

This game has not been released for long so please, give it time to open up. 

As far as chat, don't hate on it, this makes no sense. Its practically like every other chat set-up in other mmo's. People arn't using it because they are playing the game.  A trade channel could turn into a WOW spam bot so watch what you wish for.

As far as the scenario's - back off. You can pick up and play in PVP, whats wrong with that? Nothing, just people who can't handle that a game was designed to there needs. Its sad. There not ruining the game, there giving casual players a chance to play PVP w/o being severly handicapped.  No one forces you to do them either. You can skip that part and pve to your hearts content. Theres loads of quests you can do.

For partying, when you enter a zone it offers partys right off the bat, then you can select an open one. You can also search for players in the map. So to your no grouping crap, shut it. Please your ruining peoples consideration to play this game with you bs.

And for guilds I have beed in a few already on diffrent chars on diffrent servers and I seen crap ones and good ones. That happens in every mmo

I think all these people have a right to an op, but seriously you need to watch how you say it. WAR is gonna die. GO MAKE ONE YOURSELF YOU REJECT! Don't come on here bashing a company for bringing PVP to a new lvl with OPTIONS to pve as well. You do not like it fine, walk away. But don't spew your crap about it going to die or any of that crap. Say why you hate it to the Devs and see if changes can be made.

Just another thread from people who haven't found the game for them. Take your garbage with ya, cause if you are this ignorant to a new game then I sure as **** don't want you. 

P.S How many other games were perfect hits off the bat? NONE. THATS IT.

Originally posted by tkobo

The problem isnt innovation.The problem is, when the devs actually manage to embrace a good idea and not screw it up, which is like almost never,all they then do is throw that good idea into the same old crap stew.

And the thing is, the best meat in the world is not gonna be enough to get people to like chamber pot stew...

Almost the whole design for mmos needs to be scrapped, and the dinosaurs that keep using it over and over with it.

Innovation needs to be the core AND the elements, not some one or two spices thrown into a stale boring horrid dish ....

The MMO industry keeps doing its best to put its own equivilants of Kenneth Lay in charge...And they get the same results..,.over and over...

What about GENRE... if you totaly change the concept from the bottom up, you don't end up with an mmoRPG, you end up with an mmoSOMETHING.

If you don't like the RPG bit, dont play this bloody genre. Reading your posts, you qualify for the BURNED OUT badge, now shoo or please do share with us your ideas for the all new mmo format, seeing as you ridicule the developers.

Originally posted by nikoliath

Originally posted by tkobo

The problem isnt innovation.The problem is, when the devs actually manage to embrace a good idea and not screw it up, which is like almost never,all they then do is throw that good idea into the same old crap stew.

And the thing is, the best meat in the world is not gonna be enough to get people to like chamber pot stew...

Almost the whole design for mmos needs to be scrapped, and the dinosaurs that keep using it over and over with it.

Innovation needs to be the core AND the elements, not some one or two spices thrown into a stale boring horrid dish ....

The MMO industry keeps doing its best to put its own equivilants of Kenneth Lay in charge...And they get the same results..,.over and over...

What about GENRE... if you totaly change the concept from the bottom up, you don't end up with an mmoRPG, you end up with an mmoSOMETHING.

If you don't like the RPG bit, dont play this bloody genre. Reading your posts, you qualify for the BURNED OUT badge, now shoo or please do share with us your ideas for the all new mmo format, seeing as you ridicule the developers.

 

Thats is just so wrong.

Massively multiplayer online roleplaying game is the term.  Read those words.

It does not in anyway specify how it needs to realised.  You could throw out every concept ever used in any existing or previous mmorpgs and still make something new thats within the genre. 

The problem is devs don't do this often enough.