WAR (Warhammer Online)

Knockbacks are part of the game and everyone has some form of CC that pisses someone off its just part of the game. As long as I can still heal and attack through it I am fine. If there was a class that didnt have to deal with CC then there would be posts about that class being OP.

Not sure what class you play but it sounds like Destro DPS and yeah those roots and snares suck also but its part of the game. I get pissed when im stuck in a root and cant run or a snare keeps me in reach of death but most CC can be countered or avoided in one way or another.

If you choose to fight on the narrow patches of land by the lava then you take the risk of getting knocked into it. maybe they will make a server with gaurd rails just for people like you. Maybe Mark Jacobs himself will spawn to hold your hands so you dont get knocked into the lava from tunnel vision.

Originally posted by ethion

Originally posted by AerthanTN

Originally posted by ethion

I don't know what you are talking about.  I play order and I'm knocked into the lava all the time by destruction.

 

You're right you don't know, if destruction had blackguards you'd know.  Desto has nothing like it, it's a massive knockback and it hits everyone even people behind them.  My Black Orc knockback is positional, only effects one or two people, can't be used as an opener (it's a bridge skill with a cooldown) and really only works with flat terrain/down hill as it lacks the upward force the ironbreaker knockback has.

 

Yes I'm trying to get out of tier 3 as quickly as possible because this scenario is miserable but even on a heavily populated server this is the only scenario that pops on a regular basis.  You might wait 30 minutes to an hour for the other 5.   We can only assume it's because Order knows it has a huge advantage in this scenario so it's the only one they queue for.

 

 

What I don't understand is why I'm constantly loosing in this scenario and why I'm constantly getting knocked into the lava if I'm not constantly watching where I'm at...  If IB had such an overwhelming ability I'd expect to see dest people flying into the lava all the time.  But honestly I've played the scenario 2-3 dozen times and I don't see one side or the other dominating the knockbacks and most of the time I've played this scenario destruction wins on my server.  I've had the best luck in the temple scenario but this one seems to be the most popular.  At this point I'm not having too much trouble with the knock back as I try to keep myself generally positioned so I don't go in the lava.  Also there are morn then one class in destro that have a knock back.  At least I'm pretty sure. 

I went and did some research looking at various classes for knockbacks.

For the Ironbreaker I only found one knockback, Away with Ye, takes 30 grudge, single target 5ft, 20sec timeout.

For Black orc

Big Slash, chain second step, 10ft range, all targets instant cast, no timeout.

For Chosen

Repel, Single target knockback, 20 sec timeout

for shaman

Geddoff, 2 sec cast, 20 sec cooldown, damages target and knocks back those around them for 20 ft.

Now I'm no expert on any of these classes but I know I've had no lack of knockbacks playing order...  Nore are they single target I've seen a who group go flying.

I found where I was missing it.  Runed axe has a knockback when used with power etchings tallent.

This would give an ae knockback with a 20 range and 10 sec cooldown.

Now I don't know if this is reliable but people on the waralliance forums say that this knockback is a lot shorter then other knockback really only being a bit of CC.  Only when used on a hill or something can it get a good range.  But that is hearsay.  Perhaps there are some IB in this thread that can confirm of deny.

Originally posted by Endlos

Originally posted by Omega3

A skilled duo of destruction tanks can throw an iron breaker into the lava with ease. You suck.

+ on Destruction sides you have more active tanks than on Order side, so you have more knockbacks available.

I especially like all the insinuations that I just suck, as if somehow I am so bad at playing this game that I can bring an ENTIRE TEAM of TWELVE OR MORE PEOPLE to absolute, crushing defeat, in almost every single scenario I enter.

Sorry you feel defeated :(

I play a lvl 25 IB and let me tell you, while i became very aware at AE bumping in tor anroc and avoiding being bumped, when i encounter a guild group on Destruction side, even when there are 3 IB (and not ALl the IB o have the AE knockback which is specific to one skill-tree), they steamroll us because they are that good.

I'm an average player, and good players kill me. Just like they kill you.

The problem isn't knockbacks themselves or the lava itself. 

The problem is the combination of the two.  I have been in tier 3 for about a week or more now.  I have a level 25 DoK.  I am also renown rank 20 (or 21) as I level predominately in RvR and Scenarios.  I have done several hundred Tor Anrocs scenarios now (as it is the predominte scenario to pop on my server) and I have died two times to actual DPS.  The other hundred or so deaths all have come from Lava. 

There is obviously a problem when one particular move becomes the predominate tactic. 

How can people not see this as an issue?  An Ironbreaker runs into a group of players and uses his knockback and then runs away.  Why should this even be an allowed tactic? 

You can see it with all of the knockback classes in some ways too.  I see them running up to a person and not even attacking but worrying about getting the correct position to knock them into the lava. 

These knockbacks were intended as crowd control not to be the primary first line of DPS for the class.   But yet in Tor Anroc that is how they are being used. 

I say don't nerf the IB (because it doesn't matter in any other scenario) instead just nerf Tor Anroc.  Either make the Lava do a lot less damage or turn it into water instead. 

Originally posted by Cabe2323

There is obviously a problem when one particular move becomes the predominate tactic. 

 

How can people not see this as an issue?  An Ironbreaker runs into a group of players and uses his knockback and then runs away.  Why should this even be an allowed tactic? 

With popular games like WoW, EQ2, and now WAR everyone obviously wants, and expects, easymode. Players think they  are all the sudden phenomenal players, because Mythic made a foolish move by adding lava. Unfortunately, once they level past TA they've become so dependent on lava doing their work for them they are truly going to be horrible RvR players.

TA needs to die, scenarioes or pve need a serious readjustment. I can't imagine trying to level outta tier 3 with only pve. No one could survive that. They would just cancel.

Originally posted by ethion

I found where I was missing it.  Runed axe has a knockback when used with power etchings tallent.

This would give an ae knockback with a 20 range and 10 sec cooldown.

And you left out that everyone in the 360 degree arc also has a 40% speed reduction for 10 seconds after they get hit.   Which destruction class has anything that comes close to this again?

Originally posted by AerthanTN

Originally posted by ethion

I found where I was missing it.  Runed axe has a knockback when used with power etchings tallent.

This would give an ae knockback with a 20 range and 10 sec cooldown.

And you left out that everyone in the 360 degree arc also has a 40% speed reduction for 10 seconds after they get hit.   Which destruction class has anything that comes close to this again?

 

Well it isn't supposed to be a big knockback so other then the lava situation I'm not sure it is that big a deal.  Also to have it an IB needs to spec for it which likely some don't so it isn't that comon.  Like I said I've played a lot in that instance and more often then not destruction wins on my server.   Destruction has two classes with knockback and it doesn't require specing for either.  At higher levels a shaman that specs for it also gets a 360 degree ranged spell knockback which is supposed to be similar in that it isn't a large knockback.  but thats based on what people say who have used these abilities.

Honestly when I'm playing that tier 3 scenarios I'm seeing a lot more knockback usage from destruction then from order... but maybe thats just chance?!

Originally posted by crunchyblack

 

If ironbreakers are so damn overpowerd, why dont you jsut roll one.

Order needs all the players it can get ESPECIALLY in the tank department.

yup looks like destruction, with their superior numbers, want it even easyer.

 

Well said.  Its hard to believe the audacity of destro.  7 servers BEGGING for more order players, the rest with plenty more desto than order, just not as bad as the 7; and desto boohooing over the 1 tank class people actually play on order.