The Saga of Ryzom

Ryzom is a good game and fun to play. The biggest problem i see is the choke hold the vet players have on it. Outposts are being held by guilds with 4 active members. New players are seen as unworthy because they have not been here since beta. Vets wake up......new players leave because of this. Stop expecting new players to bow before your greatness and excepting what you will allow them to have. Keep this up and a year from now you will be seeing the game go belly up for the forth time. And you can go play Vanguard, WoW or Star Gate and be the noobs for once. People think there is nothing to do in this game because they are not allowed to experiance it.

Hmmm I haven't seen any of this.

The vets I've played with have been awesome. They offer a helping hand and advice.

Just a couple weeks ago I had a four year old Vet help me level my digging for FIVE hours!

The guy got nothing out of it, he wasn't even in my guild he was just a cool person.

I don't see how a group of new players couldnt specialize and form a guild and start fighting for OPs.

In every game you will run into elitist pigs, imo Ryzom doesn't have many.

Most of them actually want players to learn the game and level up so they have more players to team with, fight with and fight against.

Edit: im not even 250 in a combat tree yet and my guild has let me help out in four OP battles already.

Thing is, easy as always, that the Opener is not entirely false nor is his tatement entirely true.

Some Folks will always lord it over Newbes, as can be seen in a certain Quote on these very boards.

"Beat the noobs, they aren't worthy." Funny that you of all people should say this and complain about some people not taking Newbes for real...

Anyway, I may be misinterpreting this statement, but to give credit to the discussion and your point, as stated, some people DO like to treat Newbes like shit and do expect them to do the gruntwork for them and such.

But, isn´t that the case in every freaking game out there?

So, what´s new? And why is this known fact, while it is sad and even more sadly unavoidable, making Ryzom a bad Game? Or us a bad community?

Some people simply act this way. It´s as sure as the sky is blue and don´t you go telling me now that its azure or somesuch

 If you get into contact with such idiots, well... maybe you should try someone else for company.

Not all of us are this way and I personally am glad to help any Newbe I encounter and even give him/her some of my heard earned rewards and let him/her take part of my skills to further his/her advancement on Atys. And I know MANY people who do exactly the same.

If you´re speaking of attacking and occupining an oupost, well then you will have to train hard, make lots of friends, maybe even start a guild with them, train with them and finally challange the Outpost.

Thats simply the way it is, some things DO take time and its silly to expect someone who´s got a firm hold of something to simply move over once somone new arrives. I´d not leave my appartment if somone came up to me and declared, "Hey I wanna live in this house and need a bed. Get outta there."

I´d reconsider the notion if he returned with some friends, but then I probably woudn´t even open the dorr to them and call for help. But, I guess you get the metaphor.

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There are bad apples in every game, Ryzom has very few of them. The truth is they don't survive in Ryzom because everyone knows eachother, bad players are quickly handle by the community in most cases, and by the CSR's. There are some hardcore guilds in Ryzom that do control Outposts (OP), some even have alts and alt guilds to control OP's yes. But that doesn't necesarily mean they get to keep them forever. Some OP are only control under RP theme guilds to help the community balance the distribution of catalizers. This is why even a guild without an OP is able to stack their guild hall with OP consumables. Any OP can be challenge, all it takes is a guild and some friends to prepare and fight, it is after all the PvP content of the game. I see no choke hold like you say.

To say new players are unworthy is a ridiculous statement. I can't think of any guild that wouldn't welcome new players, and even help new starting guilds get established...I'm a witness and example of this kind gesture. When I started the Sirens of Atys many guilds offered me help in gathering materials for crafting, weapons, gear, catalizers, etc... It can be done, just not in a few weeks hun, it takes years to establish a guild. Many of the guilds in Ryzom are the product of years of hard work. If a guild has been there since Beta than I think that is more positive about the game and guild as a whole than the bad rummors you are trying to start.

A player who expects to be handheld and baby throughout the game won't last long in Ryzom because he isn't learning anything. I've seen many, many, many players burn themselves out because they want to get the 250 titles, and once they get it, a gingo comes along and eats them up in 4-5 hits. Powerleveling in Ryzom does not pay. Expecting to be top dog from the start is not possible in this game. Like in any society everyone has to earn the respect of others as well as contribute to the community in order to be part of it. Bad mouthing in Uni, or on forums will only earn you a quick ticket to the ignored list, and once you are there Atys eats you up like noobs eat up yubos.

If you trully like the game than play it and enjoy it. Treat others like they treat you and if you don't like the politics then try and change them...but don't quit and vent on here about a choke hold that doesn't exist because you feel unapreciated as a new player.

To think you thought i was a lost  noob..nope..........i was there in 04..........left the game......and came back. played for 2 years...left..came back...server down. Been playing since there servers came back up. I am not some one that doesn't know the game. I have came back to see what is going on. Maybe a  character reset is what is needed. Take all the vets that have grown  full of their selves and put them on a lvl playing field with the people getting new accounts. Oh yes i would loose my 250's to but if this game is going to continue the devs are going to have to shake things up. How else will 10 outposts held by 5 people each all coming to the rescue of each other change. How many times will i hear an 04 player saying " I will not have a noob talk to me that way". People still help each other....but in the long run they are setting the new player up to be used. Dive into the game look at neutral guilds that have uber alts that they change to so no one knows who they are......just to keep the vets feeling comfy and things running how the vets want.

I am helping new players.....and i hope the posts here are from people who are to.

When the servers go down again all of us 04 vets are to blame..

Originally posted by LewAlton

To think you thought i was a lost  noob..nope..........i was there in 04..........left the game......and came back. played for 2 years...left..came back...server down. Been playing since there servers came back up. I am not some one that doesn't know the game. I have came back to see what is going on. Maybe a  character reset is what is needed. Take all the vets that have grown  full of their selves and put them on a lvl playing field with the people getting new accounts. Oh yes i would loose my 250's to but if this game is going to continue the devs are going to have to shake things up. How else will 10 outposts held by 5 people each all coming to the rescue of each other change. How many times will i hear an 04 player saying " I will not have a noob talk to me that way". People still help each other....but in the long run they are setting the new player up to be used. Dive into the game look at neutral guilds that have uber alts that they change to so no one knows who they are......just to keep the vets feeling comfy and things running how the vets want.

I am helping new players.....and i hope the posts here are from people who are to.

 

When the servers go down again all of us 04 vets are to blame..

Do "vets" have a choke hold on Ryzom? I doubt it, in fact I think that some of the people you accuse of being "vets" aren't. I see people in Uni talking like they know every detail of the game and are on a first name basis with every line of code that make up both client and server and their names are (were) new to me...

Now I could be wrong here but if I wanted to keep newbies down I'd make sure I played my cards close to my chest in other words explain nothing, give away nothing and certainly not help anyone that wasn't firmly under my control. That's not the kind of behavior I see in Uni, quite the opposite in fact.

Would a player that started in 04 say: " I will not have a noob talk to me that way"? I've never heard anyone say that in Ryzom, ever! And even if it was said, how do you know it was a "04 player"? Frankly I think there aren't nearly enough "04 players" around to force newer players to do anything even if they wanted to...

So would a sever wipe change things like you hope? I'm sorry but no, it won't. The veterans have more experience not only in game but, they've also been playing Ryzom longer, they know the shortcuts to the cap, the lay of the land and how to power level, they will reform the old guilds, and all will be back to the way things were. A server wipe will not create a level playing field because the field wasn't level to begin with, even without the "vets" some would move much faster through the game simply because they're better at it while other choose to go slow in to try and avoid burn out.

So what about the outposts? Well if you want em, you fight form em that's how it's meant to be they're PvP content and as such are held by people who will hold on to them at all costs. In otherwords OP's are working as intended. Like it or leave it, it's not like the game becomes unplayable without access to OP consumables.

Oh and one more thing 5 people holding all the outposts? You don't really believe that do you?

Sounds to me like your just throwing your toys out of the pram because you simply don't have an outpost.

A reset wouldn't make a difference, the guilds holding the outposts are the ones that have put in the hardwork into both the guild itself and the community as stated in a previous post.

It's not always about levels.

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Originally posted by LewAlton
To think you thought i was a lost  noob..nope..........i was there in 04..........left the game......and came back. played for 2 years...left..came back...server down. Been playing since there servers came back up. I am not some one that doesn't know the game. I have came back to see what is going on. Maybe a  character reset is what is needed. Take all the vets that have grown  full of their selves and put them on a lvl playing field with the people getting new accounts. Oh yes i would loose my 250's to but if this game is going to continue the devs are going to have to shake things up. How else will 10 outposts held by 5 people each all coming to the rescue of each other change. How many times will i hear an 04 player saying " I will not have a noob talk to me that way". People still help each other....but in the long run they are setting the new player up to be used. Dive into the game look at neutral guilds that have uber alts that they change to so no one knows who they are......just to keep the vets feeling comfy and things running how the vets want.
I am helping new players.....and i hope the posts here are from people who are to.
 
When the servers go down again all of us 04 vets are to blame..

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Sounds like you are angry about some specific people and specific issues, and generalizing it to everything and everyone.

The only way a four person guild holds an outpost is by having a whole lot of friends, which they didn't make by being jerks to new players. Please feel free to gather even more friends and take it away.

I've never ever ever heard anyone put down new players the way you have described, but I'm sure it has happened once in a while. People can be stupid when they base their self worth on being "better" than others at a game. Nonetheless, you seem to inhabit a different Atys than the one I know. Maybe you need to find new people to hang out with.

Oh, and I'm glad to know I won't be to blame if things go bad again... since I only started in January of 2007, and still have no 250s at all. :P

I might have a 250 by now if I didn't spend so much time talking to and helping new players, but I wouldn't trade the fun I've had meeting new people for even a single additional skill level. I've found that attitude to be the typical one among "vets", quite contrary to the bleak outlook you see.

Perhaps you should bring it up on the official forums with a few more specifics. Name some names.