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Originally posted by Vynt

Originally posted by Ravanos

yep this is why i have always said that WoW has hurt the MMO industry more than it helped.

1) Polish is more important than revolutionizing
2) Simplistic to gain the casual gamer is more important than depth and critical thinking
3) Themeparks quick powerhour gaming is more important than large robust worlds

it just makes me sad when many singleplayer RPGs are heading down the "open world gameplay path" where MMOs are heading toward the single player path.

 

I agree also it has hurt the industry. Just look at all the poor games that have continuously come out. I probably go on a bit like before because i've just become disheartened and jaded about the whole MMO industry. I just want a truly epic world to immserse myself in, whether casually or hardcore.

Ok, think I am actually going back to work now before I depress myself thinking of the status of MMOs, lol.

So now blizzard gets blamed for world wars, idiot internet users, and now idiot game companies porducing crappy games??  get some bloody logic please.  Blizzard has always done their own thing ant not followed trends, its ashame the other shityt game companies cant do the same.  Oh sorry i forgot its blizzard fault they are making shityt mmos.  Newsflash for all of you, its called freedom of choice you can chose to play world of warcraft causlally and by urself doign what you want or joining as a group and doing things as a guild.  Its your god damn choice, repeat its choice.  These games have choices.  If it was single player game there would be no raids, pre made pvp teams or guild events or anything.  So get a bloody grip.

Originally posted by Martie

Originally posted by Ravanos

Originally posted by Airdefier

You can't get mad at Blizzard for Capitalizing on other games. They simply saw what EQ did, and made it better. Don't get me wrong I hold EQ dear to my heart, but SOE had it coming.

 

WoW can't hold EQ's jockstrap they are not even in the same league.

 

yep true while one has multi millions of players wiht mlti award winning acaldaes the other has fallen inot the shadows.  They tried to make Eq2 at the same time as wow hoping it would pwn wow, so much for that.  So  Wows has Eq jockstrap and its balls and shoved them up soes ass.

Millions of players doesn't impress me at all ... hell Mcdonalds has fed more people than many resturants combined ... does that mean it has the best food?

who gives a shit about EQ2? where did i mention that game? and by the way EQ2 is still a better game than WoW and EQ1 blows both of them away.

I don't think WoW hurt or killed Niche MMOS...I think players keep expecting "niche' mmos even if they're based off large IP properties to ahve larger populations because there are so may new MMO players in the world now.  They forget new players chose X game because its on TV and MR T says its cool or their friends dragged them there or they simply enjoy games made by X Developer but they don't necessarily like MMOs. 

Just because 1 game got all fat and bloated with tons of people who wouldn't normally play MMO games doesn't mean Niche Markets are suddenly going to see an increase.  As long as a game has a healthy population on two or three servers they're considered rather successful and they do make the company money to continue on.  Turbine is pretty much proof of this.  Smarter developers start with a decent or large amount of servers now because its pretty much a fact that on launch day noobie zones are hell on earth with so many people starting at once.  Then slowly over time they transfer or merge.  But any sign of transfer & merge can auto start the "omg its dying' troll firing which isn't necessarily true. 

Several games have seen merges and free transfers so that the populations are more well rounded to make the game enjoyable and their doors are still open, they're still making expansions, add ons, and doing their business.   Infact its the ones that refuse to merge or transfer that have the worse time.  There was even a time in which WoW had to many servers and if you started on a fresh one it was the most horrorficially boring experience ever because MMOS Need People. 

Originally posted by Ravanos

Originally posted by Martie

Originally posted by Ravanos

Originally posted by Airdefier

You can't get mad at Blizzard for Capitalizing on other games. They simply saw what EQ did, and made it better. Don't get me wrong I hold EQ dear to my heart, but SOE had it coming.

 

WoW can't hold EQ's jockstrap they are not even in the same league.

 

yep true while one has multi millions of players wiht mlti award winning acaldaes the other has fallen inot the shadows.  They tried to make Eq2 at the same time as wow hoping it would pwn wow, so much for that.  So  Wows has Eq jockstrap and its balls and shoved them up soes ass.

 

Millions of players doesn't impress me at all ... hell Mcdonalds has fed more people than many resturants combined ... does that mean it has the best food?

who gives a shit about EQ2? where did i mention that game? and by the way EQ2 is still a better game than WoW and EQ1 blows both of them away.

Oh look when they fail, they bring up the most idiotic analogy by idiotic internet users.  Yes the hours and hours and hours and hours and hours and hours and hours of grinding was fun........... oh wait wasnt that what wow had, then everyone complained because to get items you had to spend months and months and months and months raiding?  or grinding for items.    Now you want the make your eyes bleed things that are historic back?  I swear people on this forums just flip and flip everyone week to months.  No wounder why no recent mmo succeeds, its not because of wow its because of the idiot mmo players not knowing what they want, then when they get it they whine like bitches.  Eq grinding days are over.  Unless your saying grinding is what you want, but i thought that world of grindcraft( thats what you people liek to call it)  was not wanted?

Lets see

Swg was losing subs hadn over fist long before wow was around, same with daoc, same with daoc and the same with Eq.  So how did wow actually destroy anything.  Infact wow has the biggest vet swg, eq, uo, DAOCC ETC ETC SUBS OF ANY MMO.  If not for wow these so called vets would not even be playing mmos anymore most likely with.  If wow had not come out EQ2 would have single hadedley destroyed the mmo market end of story. 

thats your best comeback? "uh dur analogy stupid" ... and really ... is it? you are saying that millions of people play it so that because it has a higher subscriber base its the best MMO out there. thats what the little WoW fans say "most subscribers = best!". Well lets use that logic in other areas of business .. resturants. can you disprove that Mcdonalds is a resturant that does high sales of food?

so thus by your logic (the most = best equation) that Mcdonalds has to be one of the best resturants around right? How about movies the top grossing movie of all time is Titanic so again by your logic (most = best) Titanic IS THE BEST MOVIE EVER MADE!

so now doesnt that logic sound downright stupid now?

As for grinding, I don't mind it ... to me thats part of the game its especially much more fun when you have a group of friends working together for exp. but most WoW players wouldn't know shit about that since they are too busy solo questing.

Originally posted by Martie

Oh look when they fail, they bring up the most idiotic analogy by idiotic internet users.  Yes the hours and hours and hours and hours and hours and hours and hours of grinding was fun........... oh wait wasnt that what wow had, then everyone complained because to get items you had to spend months and months and months and months raiding?  or grinding for items.    Now you want the make your eyes bleed things that are historic back?  I swear people on this forums just flip and flip everyone week to months.  No wounder why no recent mmo succeeds, its not because of wow its because of the idiot mmo players not knowing what they want, then when they get it they whine like bitches.  Eq grinding days are over.  Unless your saying grinding is what you want, but i thought that world of grindcraft( thats what you people liek to call it)  was not wanted?

 

Lets see

 

Swg was losing subs hadn over fist long before wow was around, same with daoc, same with daoc and the same with Eq.  So how did wow actually destroy anything.  Infact wow has the biggest vet swg, eq, uo, DAOCC ETC ETC SUBS OF ANY MMO.  If not for wow these so called vets would not even be playing mmos anymore most likely with.  If wow had not come out EQ2 would have single hadedley destroyed the mmo market end of story. 

What's the matter Martie?  You sound awfully defensive.  Is someone picking on your favorite game again?

Don't worry 11million players can't be wrong, just like the 2billion people that smoke know its the best thing for them.

-WoW draws the kiddies away from the niche MMORPGs...on the positive side

-but on the negative side...most major companies will look at WoW as benchmark and innovation of new mmorpg game concepts will stagnate...

-niche mmorpgs with unique gameplay or setting will still exist on a smaller level...I'm always coming back to WWII Online / Battleground Europe which is now 7 years old and still unique in its features, setting and gameplay possibilities...

There is more room in the MMOsphere now than prior to WoW.   The overall combined population of all MMOs is so much larger now that it should be easy to release a niche game and easily draw enough people that it outdoes what was once considered a highly successful game before 2005.

The problem has always been developers stopped asking themselves a few questions which keeps their games in less that successful conditions.

1) Is my game finshed and ready for launch?  You can scratch off about 9/10 games for this very reason alone

2) Is my game fun?  Most games are more "niche" than they need to be, because the designs just miss the mark.

3) Is there a reasons for someone to play my new game over whatever they are already playing?  It doesn't matter if #1 and #2 are true if the new game doesn't offer a compelling reason for people to stop their previous game to play the new one.