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Torak  11/16/08 10:32:22 AM

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Don''t Panic!!!!

I would seriously advise you jump in a play it while you can....

NCSoft is again considering what to do with this game and they have ZERO reason to keep it alive. You know that meeting they said they were going to have last week, the one about what to do with this game? Well guys don't be surprised if shutting it down was one of the options.

www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2008/11/133_34158.html

Nov 10 2008

NCsoft, the kingpin of the local gaming industry, also has its own demons that need exorcising. The company is now reluctantly discussing whether to pull the plug on ``Tabula Rasa,'' developed by famed game developer Richard Garriott and the product of a seven-year, 100 billion won investment.

(thanks gameloading, for posting this article)

 

So spend some time with your old friend because IMHO, the time is near.

 

 

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indiramourn  11/16/08 6:54:00 PM

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MMOs require more reasoning and imagination than most stereotypically ''adult'' activities.

It will come as no surprise.  I think the timing of Richard Garriot's leaving is auspicious.

 
Death1942  11/16/08 6:56:57 PM

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i dont know why they picked Garriot to lead this project.  the guy was great (emphasis on was) back in the 90's but this is 2007/8, there is a whole new kind of game and gamer out there.  same thing goes for the guy who made Vanguard (forget his name).  they think just because they made a good game 6+ years ago that they can make a good one now.

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Rokurgepta  11/16/08 7:35:25 PM

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Originally posted by Death1942

i dont know why they picked Garriot to lead this project.  the guy was great (emphasis on was) back in the 90's but this is 2007/8, there is a whole new kind of game and gamer out there.  same thing goes for the guy who made Vanguard (forget his name).  they think just because they made a good game 6+ years ago that they can make a good one now.

Well yeah, I would expect people who have been involved in great MMOs in the past to continue doing it in the future. Do you honestly expect a company to drop 75 million dollars in the lap of someone with no good games in their past?

Sometimes no matter how great the idea it fails. Do you have any clue how many MMOs run by lesser people never even go past beta? It takes great minds to get this far. RG and the people behind Vanguard created worlds that could have been great and I think Vanguard still can be. TR is in trouble and likely to get the plug pulled soon.

What whole new gamer is out there? What is this whole new kind of game?

 
Abrahmm  11/16/08 7:38:29 PM

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Originally posted by Death1942

i dont know why they picked Garriot to lead this project.  the guy was great (emphasis on was) back in the 90's but this is 2007/8, there is a whole new kind of game and gamer out there.  same thing goes for the guy who made Vanguard (forget his name).  they think just because they made a good game 6+ years ago that they can make a good one now.

 

Funny, doesn't seem like ANYONE is making a good game now, experience or not. So I don't think that has any effect on the game. Atleast he can say he HAS made a good game, which directors haven't been able to say for the last 4 years.

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EATtheDEAD  11/16/08 7:39:31 PM

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i never kept up with TR so i dont know the cluster fuck was that brought it to being such a crap game

but i know VG could of been thee greatest pve game ever!!!! if big bad brad had more time to finish it

it launched WAY!!!! to early, it needed probably another year of work. and ive heard the funding ran out which caused the early launch. vanguard was such a high hope of mine and fell as short as a girl throwing a ball HAHA! ZING!

i heard vg is coming around, but after checking it out its still pretty brutally unfinished

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Torak  11/17/08 12:45:36 AM

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Don''t Panic!!!!

Hmmm...no Vanguard is ten times the mess this game is. In fact from what I saw, this game really isn't all that bad just not really all that MMOish, its more like an action game like GW but it doesn't have any real technical issues.

Vanguard is a frickin mess of game that hardly runs and even if you can get it going with decent FPS, its just a "10 rats" grinder with nothing else to really do. Yeah they have "diplomacy...but it doesn't really do anything, you can grind out crafting but..loot is better and there is no one to buy your stuff. You can get a boat but it doesn't do anything at all but let you ride around empty water...you can get a flying mount but again, it doesn't offer any real benefit except you get to fly around an empty landscape.

There are not enough players in VG to support an economy, not enough to group with at any level besides cap so its a long lonely trip, the world is enormous...and deserted.

How you guys even get remotely close to comparing the two is beyond me. I strongly suggest you download both the TR free trial and the VG free trial and play them back to back. Then rebutle my post. I was a beta tester of VG and played it on and off for about 8 months. In fact I wrote a bunch of player profiles until I ran out of active players to write about.

 

IMHO the base issue with many posters here on this site is that RG promised a next generation MMORPG but delivered a SciFi Guild Wars instead. (what did they call that an MMO action game or something?)

 

 All things being equal the main issue with this game appears to be that it has the playability of a normal PC game. You basically "play it through" and then you are "done", I'm est it has maybe 1 or 2 months of play before you esentually "finish it"? In the big picture of Video gaming thats actually pretty good (most games you are lucky to get 40 hours out of them). For an MMO, thats pretty bad. To do an action MOG it needs to have a lot of content and an open ended aspect like GW. You grind out to level cap in GW in about 1 - 2 weeks but you have so much content AND basically an unlimited amount of gameplay in the PvP portion. TR shoulda followed this more closely.

To say this game was "poorly" made is a stretch. It was poorly and incorrectly marketed and not filled out enough at launch and then RG lost focus and went to play Spaceman Spiff instead. It needs an open ended aspect and like I've posted here a few times, IMHO more emphesis on "Control Point" gameplay (with impact) and Humans vs Bane in a PvM style set up would have given this game the edge it needed.

Other then that it would have helped if it was correctly marketed, the wrong people totally bought into this games hype lol.

 

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Tried (Meh list): Everquest 2, Tabula Rasa, Hellgate, Warhammer(beta) SWG, DDO, RFO, FFXI, PotBS, EVE, Vanguard
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eldanloco  11/17/08 12:52:03 AM

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Originally posted by Rokurgepta

Do you honestly expect a company to drop 75 million dollars in the lap of someone with no good games in their past?

You are speaking of Richard Garriot, the man who made Ultima Online?

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Rokurgepta  11/17/08 2:30:44 AM

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Originally posted by eldanloco
Originally posted by Rokurgepta

Do you honestly expect a company to drop 75 million dollars in the lap of someone with no good games in their past?

You are speaking of Richard Garriot, the man who made Ultima Online?

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What was wrong with Ultima Online?

 
Rokurgepta  11/17/08 2:36:27 AM