Tabula Rasa

Originally posted by sanskrit

Fact is, endgame in these games is best left to the players, and there is ample room for all kinds of player created endgame in TR. Just because because a game doesn't include elite mob camping or large group instance running that can fill 30-40 hours a week, doesn't mean there's "nothing to do." Again, most of the players who say this are, IMO, expressing an unhealthy attitude about what a "game" is and where games should fit into one's life.

 

I believe based on my observations in TR, and conversations with new refugees to the game from AOC, Wowhammer, and other games, that TR is growing in popularity. Whether it grows fast enough to meet NC's fiscal requirements is no man's guess to make. Yeah, they got totally rooked by Garriott, but they are smart enough to realize that forsaking the West is not the best long term strategy (maybe short term). Coca Cola didn't leave Asia after losing MILLIONS upon MILLIONS trying to break that market in the 70s. The game market is no different.

To respond to the above points:

Endgame "Best left to players?"  Your going to have to explain this one.  What kind of player created endame are you talking about that there is "ample" room for?  Are you talking about some retarded roleplaying events? 

Endgame means lots of things to lots of different people, some prefer raiding content, others questing, yet others working on professions, etc.  However in a game that has no content upon reaching max level, just what are the players that perfer content left to do?  Oh yes, they leave, thats what.  How is wanting content for endgame play having an "unhealthy attitude".  I wont go into that much more until I understand fully what your speaking on.  

The last paragraph gave me a chuckle.  Population growing in TR?  LOL!  Garriott just bailed on the game, this will do nothing to increase its popularity.  I resubbed a month or so ago only to find the same barren wastelands that drove me from the game in the first place.  What exactly has changed?  And I highly doubt TR is scooping up the AOC and WAR refugees, thats simply not doable.  Most players that like fantasy games stick with fantasy games.  And with the onslaught of new SCIFI MMOs approaching (STO, SGW, Earthrise, Fallen Earth) TR will definitely be done for.  Please.  I have been gaming for 10 years, ppl dont leave a game only to switch genres as you describe. 

Sorry nice try but I am not convinced however I would like to hear about your ideas for player created endgame. 

Thanks!

Originally posted by Torak

So....

I guess no one can answer what the devs Have added / done in the past year here on this site? Or am I to believe nothing has been done in the last year?

Based on many of the post here I'm starting to wonder if anyone here actually plays the game and knows WTF they are yapping about

 

I would honestly say go to PlanetTr. They will have links to all the updates since last year and would be the better place to get that information.

They have done a lot of bug fixing and balancing and skill fixes. As for things really added, they have a few new weapons(new versions of old weapons like double Rocket Launcher or Triple Shotgun) a few new instances and they have adjusted difficulty and worked to make the MOBs more unique.

Originally posted by Broomy

Originally posted by sanskrit

Fact is, endgame in these games is best left to the players, and there is ample room for all kinds of player created endgame in TR. Just because because a game doesn't include elite mob camping or large group instance running that can fill 30-40 hours a week, doesn't mean there's "nothing to do." Again, most of the players who say this are, IMO, expressing an unhealthy attitude about what a "game" is and where games should fit into one's life.

 

I believe based on my observations in TR, and conversations with new refugees to the game from AOC, Wowhammer, and other games, that TR is growing in popularity. Whether it grows fast enough to meet NC's fiscal requirements is no man's guess to make. Yeah, they got totally rooked by Garriott, but they are smart enough to realize that forsaking the West is not the best long term strategy (maybe short term). Coca Cola didn't leave Asia after losing MILLIONS upon MILLIONS trying to break that market in the 70s. The game market is no different.

 

To respond to the above points:

Endgame "Best left to players?"  Your going to have to explain this one.  What kind of player created endame are you talking about that there is "ample" room for?  Are you talking about some retarded roleplaying events? 

Endgame means lots of things to lots of different people, some prefer raiding content, others questing, yet others working on professions, etc.  However in a game that has no content upon reaching max level, just what are the players that perfer content left to do?  Oh yes, they leave, thats what.  How is wanting content for endgame play having an "unhealthy attitude".  I wont go into that much more until I understand fully what your speaking on.  

The last paragraph gave me a chuckle.  Population growing in TR?  LOL!  Garriott just bailed on the game, this will do nothing to increase its popularity.  I resubbed a month or so ago only to find the same barren wastelands that drove me from the game in the first place.  What exactly has changed?  And I highly doubt TR is scooping up the AOC and WAR refugees, thats simply not doable.  Most players that like fantasy games stick with fantasy games.  And with the onslaught of new SCIFI MMOs approaching (STO, SGW, Earthrise, Fallen Earth) TR will definitely be done for.  Please.  I have been gaming for 10 years, ppl dont leave a game only to switch genres as you describe. 

Sorry nice try but I am not convinced however I would like to hear about your ideas for player created endgame. 

Thanks!

To me in order to have great player created endgame you need more sandbox elements and TR has none. Tr is story driven and as such really needs regular content updates to give players more to do. If the PVP was based on different factions working with or against eachother you could have more players driven content but TR PVP is more wargames than a system with alliances and maybe playable Bane would be impactful on the game.

He can believe the game is growing all he wants, I will read the NCSoft quarterly reports and see TR at basicly the same as last quarter for revenue and base my posts off actual verifiable fact. Like the fact they spent 74 million and are making about 6 milliona  year in revenue. I know this is difficult math but 74 sure seems a lot bigger than 6.

Originally posted by Roflan 

Oh, and  Dues Ex isn't an FPS.

Maybe you're not familiar with the term "FPS," I don't know.  It stands for "First Person Shooter."  Deus Ex is played in first person perspective and only first person perspective.  It also uses a "shooter" style combat system.  Yes, it has RPG elements in it, but it is first, foremost, and above all else, an FPS.

Quit arguing retarded semantics.  It makes you sound like a buffoon.

And now to complete this flame: You, sir, are worse than Hitler.

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Originally posted by troydavid
So they let PVP whiners ruin the lore of this game too, eh?
I dislike pvp'ers. . . they ruin everything.

T

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I played beta for 9 months and release for 9 months. Finally unsubbed back in August. When I got to lvl 50 - there were quests and maps I hadnt done, but I couldnt see any point doing them. I considered re-rolling an alt - but didnt want to repeat the same content again.

T.R did some things right
- fast combat
- teleporters to minimize grind
- I enjoyed the CP battles when they finally got those working
- liked the logos language
- voice chat
- Military Surplus
- reasonable quests/story

Some things wrong
- no reason to keep playing at max level
- meaningless pvp
- what happened to my quests where the option I chose actually made a difference - there were a handful - but they didnt effect the story like we were promised.
- crafting - get real you could mod a weapon. I wanted the ability to strip down a weapon and make a new one with bits I found. I had a storage chest full of salvage that was basically useless. Every couple of levels I would be running around hoping for an EMP rifle to drop because I couldnt make my own or buy one.

I think they ran out of time due to scrapping the game and starting over.

I would have liked to see
- factions. Where the quests made a difference so you could upset one faction and they would not give you quests.
- crafting where you could strip down weapons, gear and build your own using components
- class specific quests
- if we are having PvP - then the ability to play as the bane so you get RvR

Originally posted by Rokurgepta

Originally posted by Torak

So....

I guess no one can answer what the devs Have added / done in the past year here on this site? Or am I to believe nothing has been done in the last year?

Based on many of the post here I'm starting to wonder if anyone here actually plays the game and knows WTF they are yapping about

 

 

I would honestly say go to PlanetTr. They will have links to all the updates since last year and would be the better place to get that information.

They have done a lot of bug fixing and balancing and skill fixes. As for things really added, they have a few new weapons(new versions of old weapons like double Rocket Launcher or Triple Shotgun) a few new instances and they have adjusted difficulty and worked to make the MOBs more unique.

Hmmm, well since no one here apparently knows I looked at the patches...
 

14 "deployments" plus smaller patches since launch..roughly 12 months ago. Each one addressing or adding something of substance...so much for all that yapping.

www.rgtr.com/news/patch_notes/index.html

There are a lot of arguements about this game but all I am seeing is it all coming down to individual taste and nothing more then that. Obviously if you are looking for a "sandbox" TR was never the right choice and I do believe it was never ever marketed as such.

Soooo.......I guess I'm finished here as there are only a handful of people here anyway who are not really all that informed about the game in any event and really have nothing to contribute but a bunch of "I hate TR" post. Back to CoX

Torak I thought you got or won 30 days of free TR? You not going to use the free time? D15 might be a pretty good patch.

Originally posted by Torak

Originally posted by Rokurgepta

Originally posted by Torak

So....

I guess no one can answer what the devs Have added / done in the past year here on this site? Or am I to believe nothing has been done in the last year?

Based on many of the post here I'm starting to wonder if anyone here actually plays the game and knows WTF they are yapping about

 

 

I would honestly say go to PlanetTr. They will have links to all the updates since last year and would be the better place to get that information.

They have done a lot of bug fixing and balancing and skill fixes. As for things really added, they have a few new weapons(new versions of old weapons like double Rocket Launcher or Triple Shotgun) a few new instances and they have adjusted