Tabula Rasa

My serious suggestion - bring out the equivalent of Sony's station pass already.

If they had one of these I would subscribe and play T.R & COH. I could justify it as my kids would get to play multiple games.

As they dont I am not currently playing any NCSoft games.

Originally posted by _Shadowmage

My serious suggestion - bring out the equivalent of Sony's station pass already.

If they had one of these I would subscribe and play T.R & COH. I could justify it as my kids would get to play multiple games.

As they dont I am not currently playing any NCSoft games.

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THIS!!!

I agree. I would love to play CoX again and even dable into L2 to mess around.

But yes I think it would bring in some people to the game.

If people want to keep playing TR, the company better do something.

Recently a friend who is a TR player sent out a mail to many of us that full versions of TR were selling for less than 1 USD on several sites.  Most of us either tried it before or knew someone who did, and couldn't be bothered.

I don't see how this could happen, without the fact that the publisher told them it was ok to do that. Were they told "get what you can for them, while you can?" or "push the product for next to nothing and maybe a few subs will come from it, and we'll pay you on the back end".

Either way, TR is not doing so well and might be on the verge of getting axed by the Koreans.

Ah well.

The problem with creating an access pass for all NCsoft games is that NCSoft knows (and in fact planned it this way on purpose would be my guess) that about half of their games appeal mainly to the asian market while the other half appeals mainly to the rest of the world. So an all access pass would still be seen as only HALF useful by any given person they might attempt to sell it to. Plus you then have Guild Wars which throws a whole other money wrench into the equasion by being free to play.

Thanks to the fact that Auto Assault and Tabula Rasa have both bombed, the only thing an all access pass would really be good for is CoH. I already have a subscription to that. Paying extra to get access to TR doesn't sound like a good deal to me. (Even the OP sounds like he would only be buying it for his kids and not himself...) Such a deal might fly in the asain market where NCsoft actually has a few subscription fee based games which are successful but I can't see it happening in the rest of the world.

Honestly, I doubt NCsoft has even really thought about this. They strike me as being very "hands off" when it comes to all their games outside of the asian market. They pretty much let Cryptic do whatever they wanted with CoH for a long time. And ArenaNet has always been pretty much running the show with Guild Wars. Up until now their plan to let their developers have such a long leash has worked pretty well both for them and for gamers. But they gave our buddy RG wayyyyyy too long of a leash when it came time to work on Tabula Rasa and that didn't work out quite as well. Hopefully NCsoft will not only learn a lesson from all this but will also learn the RIGHT lesson. The right lesson in this case being to hire a lead developer who is located on the same planet as the rest of the dev team. Sadly they will probably learn the wrong lesson from all this and turn into hyper control freaks like a lot of publishers do when they hit a bump in the road...

Originally posted by Raltar

Thanks to the fact that Auto Assault and Tabula Rasa have both bombed, the only thing an all access pass would really be good for is CoH. I already have a subscription to that. Paying extra to get access to TR doesn't sound like a good deal to me. (Even the OP sounds like he would only be buying it for his kids and not himself...) Such a deal might fly in the asain market where NCsoft actually has a few subscription fee based games which are successful but I can't see it happening in the rest of the world.

Well, Aion is releasing soon, that would off course be worth of playing by the side of COH. But the question is: Would that save TR? If noone would buy the pass because of TR, do NC soft have any reason of keeping the game?

I think they should sell it to SOE instead, SOE are having game with far less players than TR, maybe they could also fix it up a bit.

We also need to see why the game did so badly, and think about if it is anything that can save it...

Unless I've been drastically misinformed... Aion is more of an Asain Market style of game...

And sell the game to SoE!? Udder maddness! NCSoft may be a real hit and miss kind of company, but SoE is almost nothing but miss. They wrecked Star Wars Galaxies, released Vanguard as an unfinished mess, Everquest was a grindfest of the worst kind and don't even get me started on the disaster that is Matrix Online (whoever came up with the plan to have Sony and Sega team up to make an MMO based on a sub-par action movie seriously needs to be dragged into the street and shot)! And even the very small number of games that SoE got half-way right like Planetside were treated like red-headed step-children getting no funding or upgrades while Sony went off on their next hair brained scheme to milk Everquest with another pointless add-on or to drive away another few thousand subscribers from SWG. SoE has no clue what they are doing.

I would sooner sell the game to Funcom than SoE. Funcom would probably just make it open PvP and let everyone gank themselves to death they all cancelled their subscriptions. SoE would release a patch that would triple the number of bugs in the game, add no content of any kind and somehow manage to totally alter the combat system in some way that would require everyone to have their characters reset to level one. That would be MUCH worse.

Originally posted by Loke666

Originally posted by Raltar

Thanks to the fact that Auto Assault and Tabula Rasa have both bombed, the only thing an all access pass would really be good for is CoH. I already have a subscription to that. Paying extra to get access to TR doesn't sound like a good deal to me. (Even the OP sounds like he would only be buying it for his kids and not himself...) Such a deal might fly in the asain market where NCsoft actually has a few subscription fee based games which are successful but I can't see it happening in the rest of the world.

Well, Aion is releasing soon, that would off course be worth of playing by the side of COH. But the question is: Would that save TR? If noone would buy the pass because of TR, do NC soft have any reason of keeping the game?

I think they should sell it to SOE instead, SOE are having game with far less players than TR, maybe they could also fix it up a bit.

We also need to see why the game did so badly, and think about if it is anything that can save it...

What SOE game has far less players than TR? Planetside maybe but at the 1 year mark Planetside was doing better than TR is. 
 

If what I see is correct TR had 1.3 million dollars in revenue last quarter, that means less than 30k subs left. The quarter before that they had over 35k and nearly 1.8 million in revenue.

I think NCSoft needs a larger stable of games to pull off an all access pass. When your biggest seller is a game with no monthly fee,GW, it is hard to get people to pay extra if you do not have the list of games that make it worthwhile.

See, here is another big difference between SoE and NCSoft.

When SoE has a bad game that nobody wants to play, they keep it alive on life support forever to pad the value of their all access pass.

When NCsoft has a bad game, they close it down. They did it with Auto Assault and now with Tabula Rasa as well.

Thus, another reason why an All Access Pass plan would not work as well for them. They don't have enough bad games to pad it with like SoE does.

Not that I'm trying to say something bad about NCSoft here. Atleast they have the guts to close down games that didn't pan out they way they were meant to. SoE is actually just trying to pull the wool over everyone's eyes by refusing to admit their mistakes so that they can milk people for more money.