Tabula Rasa

Originally posted by Aganazer

You act like I've been here all along posting unpopular opinions and its your job to set me straight.

You had the same attitude. I just fought fire with fire.

Bottom line: You came in here and announced that the majority of the users of this forum were wrong about TR. I told you why we were right. You call it an opinion. I call it a debate. Most of the people watching this conversation probably call it a really stupid waste of time. 

I don't really see that there is anything further to say here unless you need to insult me some more to make yourself feel better about TR being shut down.

Shuddup, OP.  I played this game in beta.  And at launch.  And as recently as last June.  I watched the Feedback Friday's during my non-sub time and they never once contained anything I cared about.

I was on Cassiopeia.  I started a guild there called the 47th AFSEF.  By January we were the largest guild on the entire server and had more high level players than probably the rest of the server combined.  We hosted server wide events which were open to the public every single month with Critters, CuppaJoe, and some other dev I completely forget the name of.

I was extremely integrated into the community at PlanetTR and also that one other forum run by the European guy.  I forget the name and link, it's been a long time since I cared.  Geez, I even helped with some of the theorycraft over at TabulaSpot with Sansker.

I wanted this game to succeed more than anyone but the fact of the matter is that the game was terrible at launch, it was terrible six months after launch, it's terrible now, and it's so terrible that it has less than 30,000 subscribers (using the financial revenue report figures NCSoft released for Q3) and is being shut down three months.

There are a lot of reasons why TR was bad.  Mostly just that it was simply incomplete, lacked basic features, and had a horribly mismanaged priority list by the dev team (i.e. devoting the first four months of development time almost exclusively to f*cking spies and letting the rest of the professions rot), but to me it's the PlanetTR community who wrought this shutdown.

When TR first launched there was legitimate debate at PlanetTR.  You could actually criticize decisions by the dev team, game features, et cetera.  And even though I absolutely loathed the mod over there, Epilogue, it wasn't until another mod, Adele_Mechka, took over and started banning anyone who didn't sing the praises of the game.  I was, and am still, banned from PlanetTR because some guy made a post crying about how the devs shouldn't add group content because he doesn't have time to find other people to play with to which I responded, "Join a guild." That's the exact post, verbatim. 

The result of that post?  SIx month ban which doesn't lift until this coming January.  PlanetTR was the most terribly run game site ever and what killed TR, or at least contributed greatly, was that with no official forums PlanetTR was the primary funnel of information from the players to the dev team.  There really wasn't any other communication medium between the players and devs so with the absurd modding going on over there the face of the community presented to the dev team was horribly warped and nothing approaching the reality of the situation.

/endrant

You wouldn't happen to be Gaius Kavadas would you?

Originally posted by Aganazer

You wouldn't happen to be Gaius Kavadas would you?

No, I'm some other guy using the extremely common "Kavadas" name in my username.

Originally posted by lkavadas

Originally posted by Aganazer

You wouldn't happen to be Gaius Kavadas would you?

 

No, I'm some other guy using the extremely common "Kavadas" name in my username.

Thats too bad. If you were, I was gonna say that I had always respected you and your opinion at PTR. As a starting grenadier you had helped me out a lot getting started in TR.

You've obviously got some sour grapes with the PTR management. Personally I haven't had much problem with them, but I'm sorry to hear that you did.

Originally posted by Aganazer 

Thats too bad. If you were, I was gonna say that I had always respected you and your opinion at PTR. As a starting grenadier you had helped me out a lot getting started in TR.

You've obviously got some sour grapes with the PTR management. Personally I haven't had much problem with them, but I'm sorry to hear that you did.

I know the "Shuddap OP' was pretty harsh but your point about, "Only people who played beta talk bad about the game" struck a nerve with me.  I have no idea how or why you would come to that conclusion.

And I hold PTR accountable for a lot of the terrible development decisions by the dev team due to the fact they were really only the conduit of information transfer between devs and players and they also censored the community's balls off  by only keeping the posts which stroked the devs.

Plus I'm not gonna lie, MMORPG.com is very trollish so I make a point to be meaner on this website.  Sorry.

Originally posted by Aganazer

5. The game is about to close.

Another bit of total BS. Massively.com has been starting these rumors ever since TR was released. They generally base their articles on bad translations of unreliable Korean news sources. The truth is that TR is an operationally profitable game. Meaning that they make more money leaving the game open than they would shutting it down. It certainly wasn't the success they were hoping it would be, but thats no concern of ours.

What were the odds you would post this on this of all days?

Originally posted by lkavadas

I know the "Shuddap OP' was pretty harsh but your point about, "Only people who played beta talk bad about the game" struck a nerve with me.  I have no idea how or why you would come to that conclusion.

Plus I'm not gonna lie, MMORPG.com is very trollish so I make a point to be meaner on this website.  Sorry.

Seriously, I was almost unwilling to believe it was the same Kavadas.

"A very large number of the people voicing their opinions about TR are those who played in beta over a year ago."

I probably could have said that better. It seems like every time TR is mentioned at Voodoo Extreme or Bluesnews, there are inevitably about 200 people saying "I played in beta, but it sucked soooo bad". I guess that without having been in my shoes, you may not have noticed. I don't think anyone is doubting that open beta really hurt TR. If the open beta would have started even a month later than it had, we might not have seen the game close today.

I still believe that TR, if it weren't closing, had the potential to be a solid niche game like Eve.

Originally posted by Aganazer

Originally posted by Raltar

You think Rokurgetpta hasn't played since beta? I'll be interested to see how he responds to that when he gets here. That is if a moderator hasn't already locked and deleted half of this thrad by that time considering its just degraded into a big insulting match.

 

You don't cease to amaze me, Raltar. Rok and Torak are the ones who know what they are talking about.

Another interesting point is that the ones who call TR trash are the ones who played the game like a career. I said in my OP that its not that kind of a game. As long as you don't expect it to be a game that you can play all day every day for the rest of your life, then it can be very enjoyable.

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I am convinced you are not a fanboy. No fanboy would come here and ever say I knew what I was talking about.