World of Warcraft

Originally posted by jblah 

How did it fail again at being better than WOW? oh yeah the only thing WOW players can say"it has 11 million subs" unless ofcourse you would like to elaborate more on how WOW is better?

War did not have all conent cleared in 3 days from release ( yes achievments may not be all done but they are just a cheap tome of knowledge anyway with no reason other than bragging rights)

It is not still balancing classes after 4+ years, They created new ideas and did not steal all their ideas from previous games.  Server maintenence problems still after 4+ years with the same problems?

So 11 million subs..... ok got WAR there, millions of people followed Hitler did not make them right or better than anyone else so please tell me how WOW is better than WAR?

11 Million subscriptions is a result of people enjoying a game and word of mouth being positive about the gameplay.  Ask most people who play/played WoW and they say it is a fun game.

Selling 1.2 million box copies and having to merge half of your servers in 2 months, because you can't retain people is a result of boring unfinished game play.  Warhammer didn't have content cleared shortly after release, because no one tested it.  The end game system is broken and doesn't function properly.  As someone else said the design is pants on head retarded.  A game that highlights large scale open world PvP requires people to hide in instances and grind PvE content.... pants on head retarded is accurate.  Even the crazy fans of the games before release are gone.  You don't see many of them talking about how awesome Warhammer is going to be anymore do you?  Nope, what you hear now is "patch 1.1 should fix things and hopefully get the game back in order, then people will come back".

Also, you invoked Hitler on the interweb, you lose.

Originally posted by jblah

Originally posted by Pheace

Originally posted by Qmire

 

No, you didn't buy Wrath, and no you don't know jack about it, you're just saing you bought it to say crap like this.

 

 

 

*ding* *ding* *ding* Winner!

 

Does anyone here truly believe that someone who can't open his mouth without speaking badly of WoW on the WAR forums suddenly buys Wotlk to *try it*? Please, he came here to promote WAR which is obvious from his every breath and anyone that reads him can clearly tell he wouldn't be caught dead even touching WOW, not to mention there's 0 logic to him even bothering when WAR is so great :)

I tried it and although I do believe that the OP is a troll it leaves room for discussion. So tell me what so great about the Xpac and please spare me the "it has 11 million subs it must be good" That is old it has little effect.
 

 

The problem isn't with Wrath, the problem is that you didn't like the game before wrath came out.  I'm going to use the 11M number just to explain the 'terrible' position that Blizzard is in.  11M people pay to play every month.. it would be very very hard for Blizzard to drastically change gameplay.  I know if you don't like the original game, then yes, it's easy to say 'more of the same'.  But to players that LIKE the game.. they say " YES, MORE CONTENT".

When a game is in trouble, or it is stagnant... it is much easier for the developers to make drastic changes to gameplay.  When a game is growing, and people are excited about the game.. its hard for the devs to risk changing things drastically.   When WOW does peak and starts to decline in population numbers THEN you may see the dev team being a little more risky with changing the game.

If you didn't like the game before, then no, you aren't going to like it better now (except for people who like open pvp.. because Wintergrasp is awesome).

If you liked the game before.. then there is a lot to be excited about.  Every expansion they add new type of quests and here are fewer and fewer 'kill 10 boars'.   Gameplay is just more and more refined.. classes are more fun and get interesting gadgets to play with.

Originally posted by Daffid011

Originally posted by jblah 

How did it fail again at being better than WOW? oh yeah the only thing WOW players can say"it has 11 million subs" unless ofcourse you would like to elaborate more on how WOW is better?

War did not have all conent cleared in 3 days from release ( yes achievments may not be all done but they are just a cheap tome of knowledge anyway with no reason other than bragging rights)

It is not still balancing classes after 4+ years, They created new ideas and did not steal all their ideas from previous games.  Server maintenence problems still after 4+ years with the same problems?

So 11 million subs..... ok got WAR there, millions of people followed Hitler did not make them right or better than anyone else so please tell me how WOW is better than WAR?

 

11 Million subscriptions is a result of people enjoying a game and word of mouth being positive about the gameplay.  Ask most people who play/played WoW and they say it is a fun game.

Selling 1.2 million box copies and having to merge half of your servers in 2 months, because you can't retain people is a result of boring unfinished game play.  Warhammer didn't have content cleared shortly after release, because no one tested it.  The end game system is broken and doesn't function properly.  As someone else said the design is pants on head retarded.  A game that highlights large scale open world PvP requires people to hide in instances and grind PvE content.... pants on head retarded is accurate.  Even the crazy fans of the games before release are gone.  You don't see many of them talking about how awesome Warhammer is going to be anymore do you?  Nope, what you hear now is "patch 1.1 should fix things and hopefully get the game back in order, then people will come back".

 

Also, you invoked Hitler on the interweb, you lose.

Granted WAR does not have 11 million subs but I would say there is just as much negativity about WOW on these forums and people defending it as there is for WAR. So what people are we going by because with your logic WOW is failing just as bad as WAR is if we go by negative forum posts.
 

Ofcourse we could just say only 1-5% of people post on the forums but that benefits WAR as well and the official WOW forums look kinda bad as well.

We could say that the easy PVE is pants on head retarted also but I think you get the point that aside from sub numbers from a game out 4+ years there seems to be little difference in people opinion. We can also say that adding a new PVP zone that no one will use after a few months like halaa because it does not give as much honor per hour as AV is pant on head retarted.

yes there were some initial bugs when the first city seiges happened from what i have read but you obviously did not do MC when it first released or Ony either. Did you ever try and loot anything when the game first released? You better call in sick to work if ya wanted to as it would take all day.

But Warhammer now is competeing with WOW now not then but pants on head retarted....... haha you should have seen WOW when it released and several months after if WAR and WOW would have switched places in time WOW would be having alot worse issues and merging servers. Right place right time for WOW.

Originally posted by jblah

Originally posted by Dubel

Originally posted by Greyhooff

So I took the advice of people on here, bought the xpac and played it, levelling my warrior to 73.

I have to say, I'm already bored - it's the same thing as I did in TBC and quite frankly the graphics are terrible, blocky and the armors look awful (it doesn't help that I'm a human and the human models are blocky and ugly)

The quests are the same old stuff, and although there's some cutscene bits, it's the same gather xp by doing pointless stuff that I've seen before. There's no decent PVP, and I miss the tactics and immediate PVP from Warhammer, where I levelled by doing a rotation of scenarios while questing and doing PQ stages.

I'll continue to 80 and farm Naxx 25man, Malygos and Sart with my old guild for a bit. They've already killed every boss in the game and I'll just pick up the epics when I get there, but for now I find the expansion to be a boring, easy and soulless cash-cow.

 

You fail at trolling, just like WAR failed at being better than WoW.

 

How did it fail again at being better than WOW? oh yeah the only thing WOW players can say"it has 11 million subs" unless ofcourse you would like to elaborate more on how WOW is better?

War did not have all conent cleared in 3 days from release ( yes achievments may not be all done but they are just a cheap tome of knowledge anyway with no reason other than bragging rights)

It is not still balancing classes after 4+ years, They created new ideas and did not steal all their ideas from previous games.  Server maintenence problems still after 4+ years with the same problems?

So 11 million subs..... ok got WAR there, millions of people followed Hitler did not make them right or better than anyone else so please tell me how WOW is better than WAR?

A great show of intelligence, an expansion with 10 levels against an entirely new game. 2-3 days 10 levels of 80 in WoW, 6 days first level to max in WAR. Not like anyone could even get to drop a city with all the bugs endgame has, not to mention the exploits it was full of as well. Some servers couldn't even get the gate down due to bugs.

Also, *not* having 11 million players doesn't make a game better either :)

ooooo, it's Jblah.... lol

Originally posted by Pheace

Originally posted by jblah

Originally posted by Dubel

Originally posted by Greyhooff

So I took the advice of people on here, bought the xpac and played it, levelling my warrior to 73.

I have to say, I'm already bored - it's the same thing as I did in TBC and quite frankly the graphics are terrible, blocky and the armors look awful (it doesn't help that I'm a human and the human models are blocky and ugly)

The quests are the same old stuff, and although there's some cutscene bits, it's the same gather xp by doing pointless stuff that I've seen before. There's no decent PVP, and I miss the tactics and immediate PVP from Warhammer, where I levelled by doing a rotation of scenarios while questing and doing PQ stages.

I'll continue to 80 and farm Naxx 25man, Malygos and Sart with my old guild for a bit. They've already killed every boss in the game and I'll just pick up the epics when I get there, but for now I find the expansion to be a boring, easy and soulless cash-cow.

 

You fail at trolling, just like WAR failed at being better than WoW.

 

How did it fail again at being better than WOW? oh yeah the only thing WOW players can say"it has 11 million subs" unless ofcourse you would like to elaborate more on how WOW is better?

War did not have all conent cleared in 3 days from release ( yes achievments may not be all done but they are just a cheap tome of knowledge anyway with no reason other than bragging rights)

It is not still balancing classes after 4+ years, They created new ideas and did not steal all their ideas from previous games.  Server maintenence problems still after 4+ years with the same problems?

So 11 million subs..... ok got WAR there, millions of people followed Hitler did not make them right or better than anyone else so please tell me how WOW is better than WAR?

 

A great show of intelligence, an expansion with 10 levels against an entirely new game. 2-3 days 10 levels of 80 in WoW, 6 days first level to max in WAR. Not like anyone could even get to drop a city with all the bugs endgame has, not to mention the exploits it was full of as well. Some servers couldn't even get the gate down due to bugs.

 

Also, *not* having 11 million players doesn't make a game better either :)

 

ooooo, it's Jblah.... lol

Awesome you dodged the question as well you can point out the flaws in WAR's endgame which are fixed now anyway, but can you tell me what makes WOW better or were you just commenting on WAR's problems with the first few endgame city sieges?

I did not discuss time to level cap as WAR has 40 levels so 6 days was far slower than WOW's 27 hours for 10 levels and that is not the point anyway.

Launch bugs happen as they did in WOW so is that what makes it better the fact WOW currently has less bugs than WAR did at release? The poster I quoted said WAR is a failure compared to WOW that is what I was discussing.

I guess you have nothing to add but WAR's launch bugs. Ok point taken anything else possibly?

Azrile atleast says mobile seige weapons so thats a start I guess but will the open PVP be used anymore than it has been after the newness wears off or will it be just like every other PVP attempt they made aside from BG's.

Originally posted by Daffid011

Originally posted by jblah 

How did it fail again at being better than WOW? oh yeah the only thing WOW players can say"it has 11 million subs" unless ofcourse you would like to elaborate more on how WOW is better?

War did not have all conent cleared in 3 days from release ( yes achievments may not be all done but they are just a cheap tome of knowledge anyway with no reason other than bragging rights)

It is not still balancing classes after 4+ years, They created new ideas and did not steal all their ideas from previous games.  Server maintenence problems still after 4+ years with the same problems?

So 11 million subs..... ok got WAR there, millions of people followed Hitler did not make them right or better than anyone else so please tell me how WOW is better than WAR?

 

11 Million subscriptions is a result of people enjoying a game and word of mouth being positive about the gameplay.  Ask most people who play/played WoW and they say it is a fun game.

Selling 1.2 million box copies and having to merge half of your servers in 2 months, because you can't retain people is a result of boring unfinished game play.  Warhammer didn't have content cleared shortly after release, because no one tested it.  The end game system is broken and doesn't function properly.  As someone else said the design is pants on head retarded.  A game that highlights large scale open world PvP requires people to hide in instances and grind PvE content.... pants on head retarded is accurate.  Even the crazy fans of the games before release are gone.  You don't see many of them talking about how awesome Warhammer is going to be anymore do you?  Nope, what you hear now is "patch 1.1 should fix things and hopefully get the game back in order, then people will come back".

 

Also, you invoked Hitler on the interweb, you lose.

everyone leaving warhammer is actually a result of the game being very buggy in the first month so they left for WoW which has been out for ages and has very little problems. So the people couldn't be arsed to wait and see if warhammer would be better.

I believe WoW when it was released was utter crap and was almost unplayable so WAR was going in the right direction its just that no one wanted to be patient.

Originally posted by Jimmy562

everyone leaving warhammer is actually a result of the game being very buggy in the first month so they left for WoW which has been out for ages and has very little problems. So the people couldn't be arsed to wait and see if warhammer wou