World of Warcraft

Originally posted by slask777

lol..WoW hard? What are you smoking? WoW is easymode deluxe. Obviously you never played some of the classic mmo's out there. Granted arena is quite competitive it's not hard. Get the right class and spec and 75% of the work is done, rest is down to patience, knowledge of your class and a little luck now and then. It's the same with PvP all over the place really. On the other hand, WoW's PvE is laughable easy and when you learn the scripted encounters its easymode to raid epics.

Anyway, this thread is a flamebait and should be reported and closed. The OP should be tempbanned aswell.

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Although I appreciate your very veg and empty reply ,as I am at work and will read it anyway due to boredom but could you please suggest a game that requires more? I have played some of them and I cant think of any.

EVE- best ship/ most isk wins the fight no real incentive other than to pod kill someone for fun and take what loot they had but no real way to advance since there is no rank system other than bountys if ya count that.  If you killed 100 players in a row with out losing would ya get anything for it?

WAR- hang out around people that give renoun when you kill em then eventually you will max out with renoun.

AOC- sweet PVP XP only took 6 months to match the box and you still cant level but refer to WAR on how to increase it.

LOTRO- I will say this probably takes the longest I have ever seen to max out but its just a grind when you break it down.

Any other games I missed and no full loot free for all pvp is really not that hard as you can farm noobs but no real reason or proof that you are consistantly good.

Please dont talk about Darkfall as it is not released yet.

WOW- take your best players against other of the best players and win. If you lose you lose rating if you win you gain a rating. Win enough times without losing and you max out.

Yes, I got one, Anarchy Online Classic. Granted they didn't have this epeen title alot of the idiots I see who play WoW stroke with a passion, the grind and difficulty to get to endgame, gear up and find the proper implantset(spec builds really) was insane and changed quite often. The top build/class combination one day could be bottom the next day.

They lessened it quite a bit with Shadowlands (which took away from the cyberpunk atmosphere to create some shitty high-fantasy setting and made everyone ridicously rich due to ingots, which Funcom, in their infinte stupidity removed from the game a few years later, screwing the already screwed up economy even more), even more with Alien Invasion and Lost Eden is just a copycat from WoW's arenas and battlegrounds so lets just skip that one.

I laugh at what people call twinks in WoW too. BG twinks just require gold, nothing else. So you can run around one-shot people and you're impossible to kill for the regular player. Call that skill? I sure don't.

I don't hate WoW like alot of people around here do for some reason, but to read the fanboys spewing nonsense is downright ridiculous, allthough a little entertaining if only to laugh a little at their idiocity.

Also note that I said classis mmo's. Since when did Lotro/AoC and War become classic mmo's?

Edit:People also say that the grind in WoW is shit, calling a 6 month grind insane. I spent bloody years getting my shitty engineer in AO to endgame and that was just the leveling. I never got to the top in the towerbattles that used to rage on in AO as they had some real cuttroath players at the top. The forumdrama and hate that sometimes spawned in the forums where quite the sight at the time. Todays mmoplayer is, to be blunt, a spoiled brat expecting to be handheld and guided towards whatever shiny carrot the devs dangle at the end but that's what you get when you open up the genre to the mainstream.

Originally posted by jblah

Although I appreciate your very veg and empty reply ,as I am at work and will read it anyway due to boredom but could you please suggest a game that requires more? I have played some of them and I cant think of any.

EVE- best ship/ most isk wins the fight no real incentive other than to pod kill someone for fun and take what loot they had but no real way to advance since there is no rank system other than bountys if ya count that.  If you killed 100 players in a row with out losing would ya get anything for it?

WAR- hang out around people that give renoun when you kill em then eventually you will max out with renoun.

AOC- sweet PVP XP only took 6 months to match the box and you still cant level but refer to WAR on how to increase it.

LOTRO- I will say this probably takes the longest I have ever seen to max out but its just a grind when you break it down.

Any other games I missed and no full loot free for all pvp is really not that hard as you can farm noobs but no real reason or proof that you are consistantly good.

Please dont talk about Darkfall as it is not released yet.

WOW- take your best players against other of the best players and win. If you lose you lose rating if you win you gain a rating. Win enough times without losing and you max out.

 

Guildwars is far better than Wow when it comes to skill. In GW you only win a PvP battle if you are best, not because you have better gear. And the PvE is a lot harder, particulary in hard mode. GW have other issues but it is far more difficult than Wow.

That only 1% will have the best gear isnt really proven yet either.

Originally posted by slask777

Yes, I got one, Anarchy Online Classic. Granted they didn't have this epeen title alot of the idiots I see who play WoW stroke with a passion, the grind and difficulty to get to endgame, gear up and find the proper implantset(spec builds really) was insane and changed quite often. The top build/class combination one day could be bottom the next day.

They lessened it quite a bit with Shadowlands (which took away from the cyberpunk atmosphere to create some shitty high-fantasy setting), even more with Alien Invasion and Lost Eden is just a copycat from WoW's arenas and battlegrounds so lets just skip that one.

I laugh at what people call twinks in WoW too. BG twinks just require gold, nothing else. So you can run around one-shot people and is impossible to kill for the regular player. Call that skill? I sure don't.

I don't hate WoW like alot of people around here do for some reason, but to read the fanboys spewing nonsense is downright ridiculous, allthough a little entertaining if only to laugh a little at their idiocity.

Also note that I said classis mmo's. Since when did Lotro/AoC and War become classic mmo's?

Edit:People also say they have to grind in WoW is shit, calling a 6 month grind insane. I spent bloody years getting my shitty engineer in AO to endgame. Todays mmoplayer is, to be blunt, a spoiled brat expecting to be handheld and guided towards whatever shiny carrot the devs dangle at the end.

Anarchy online was difficult to properly make a character [translation: easy to screw a character up], but that doesn't mean the game was hard to actually play.  It was they typical tank, dps and healer model.  Sure it was hard to find specific equipment, but that is the same for most games and what keeps people pursuing goals.  That doesn't make the gameplay harder does it?

Requiring lengthy leveling times is not a difficult task either, it is just cumbersome. 

AO was hard on number crunching min/max, but the gameplay was about standard imho.  Lengthy leveling, but I don't think that requiring tons of experience makes up for actual challenging gameplay.

Originally posted by Daffid011

Originally posted by slask777

Yes, I got one, Anarchy Online Classic. Granted they didn't have this epeen title alot of the idiots I see who play WoW stroke with a passion, the grind and difficulty to get to endgame, gear up and find the proper implantset(spec builds really) was insane and changed quite often. The top build/class combination one day could be bottom the next day.

They lessened it quite a bit with Shadowlands (which took away from the cyberpunk atmosphere to create some shitty high-fantasy setting), even more with Alien Invasion and Lost Eden is just a copycat from WoW's arenas and battlegrounds so lets just skip that one.

I laugh at what people call twinks in WoW too. BG twinks just require gold, nothing else. So you can run around one-shot people and is impossible to kill for the regular player. Call that skill? I sure don't.

I don't hate WoW like alot of people around here do for some reason, but to read the fanboys spewing nonsense is downright ridiculous, allthough a little entertaining if only to laugh a little at their idiocity.

Also note that I said classis mmo's. Since when did Lotro/AoC and War become classic mmo's?

Edit:People also say they have to grind in WoW is shit, calling a 6 month grind insane. I spent bloody years getting my shitty engineer in AO to endgame. Todays mmoplayer is, to be blunt, a spoiled brat expecting to be handheld and guided towards whatever shiny carrot the devs dangle at the end.

Anarchy online was difficult to properly make a character [translation: easy to screw a character up], but that doesn't mean the game was hard to actually play.  It was they typical tank, dps and healer model.  Sure it was hard to find specific equipment, but that is the same for most games and what keeps people pursuing goals.  That doesn't make the gameplay harder does it?

Requiring lengthy leveling times is not a difficult task either, it is just cumbersome. 

AO was hard on number crunching min/max, but the gameplay was about standard imho.  Lengthy leveling, but I don't think that requiring tons of experience makes up for actual challenging gameplay.

Well, did you compete in Notum Wars aka Tower Battles? That was the hardest pvp I've ever done in any game. Granted lenghty leveling times doesn't equal hard game, it sure was a test on your patience. The other point with the proper build is what made AO so challening aswell. It was so damn easy to screw your character up, forcing you to reroll and do some research before you spent those ip-points. I liked that with the game. It weeded out the stupid. AO was a min/max'ers wet dream too, but sadly, the game is a complete joke today compared to what it used to be.

Just to give you a heads up... I've been playing MMOs since they came out and I've played more than I can remember. WoW is not the hardest game to get gear in. You should try playing Everquest, Anarchy Online, or Dark Age of Camelot. When you have to wait for 72 hours for a mob to spawn and you have to have your character sitting there in order to prevent someone else from claiming the camp, just to get an item you need for one part of the chain of quests for the gear you want, then you can complain.

Facts about WoW- In my experience WoW seems to be geared towards 12 year olds. It has all the things Tweeners love... collecting, repetition, violence, and cartoons. It's extremely simple to play... any wizard in a raid will tell you that. It's not overly hard to complete a chain of quests nor is it hard to get the items or faction needed... it just requires grinding.

If you want to see hard go play EQ2 or Vanguard... those games make WoW look like a walk in the park. The reason they're called Mature MMOs isn't because they have nudity, it's because they take patience and dedication. Quit complaining about WoW being so dificult and either move on to Hello Kitty Online, or buck up little bronco, because you're seriously deluded.

Originally posted by Daffid011

 

Sure plenty of aspects about EQ were hard and required skill, but that wasn't my point.  My point was that it wasn't some skill based game where people were denied content and only the top people COULD complete the content.  EQ was more restrictive due to very limited number of boss spawns, high gear requirements to advance and amount of time investment needed to do high end content.   Having 30-70 warm bodies online [the could mobilize fast] was more important to advancing in the games content than have 50 skillful people online at 7pm every night. 

 

While I am not in agreement with everything the original poster is claiming, he is right that the arena rating system is based on a players skill [cheating aside].  Simply pouring time into arenas won't win the best gear.  There is no boss encounter strategy to read that will result in winning.  I am far from a fan of WoWs arena system, but I'm sure for people who are into that kind of thing they enjoy it very much and this is something people will compete over.

 

 

I am glad at least SOME people read the posts of why I consider the PvP epic gear in Wow by FAR the best gear to get in ANY MMORPG these days. Tx for the readers....
 

Because it is rated and has a ladder system, only the very few of the very few will get to the best gear at present day Wow. Take the best 100 players in the world and let them have a competition: 50% of them will be UNDER 1500 :)))

Because the ladder system is based on server clusters of about 18 servers, these gear sets will only be available to a few dozen out of .... 180.000 subscribed players.

I think it is fair to say that each server has about 10.000 subscribed players (not concurrent players), so being the top out of 180.000players or more is something awesome (at a 2200 rating).

I am VERY proud of my 4x Brutal gladiotor gear sets and rival/duelist status on my characters and yes I am NOT a top gladiator, but I think this system is awesome and awards basically the best PvP people.

For those intrested the new Wow PvP sets and season will be out on Dec 14th. See you all there. And Lake wintergrasp gives even 1000 honor as a loser alone :)).