WAR (Warhammer Online)

I like how a lot of the things he lists are problems in WAR as well, not that he acknowledges them as such though :p

Originally posted by markoraos 

Oh well so it is ok to post crap on this and other forums then. Lol I remember when the game realeased how the hateboy mercenaries were all over the game saying "stay away form it -it has no engame PvE". Of course it all turned out to be an intentional lie because now we have those very same "concerned citizens" saying - "stay away from the game! It's endgame requires PvE!"

Loool..

I'm not saying that game doesn't have its flaws and I never claimed otherwise. What I'm saying is that I really cannot explain this massive glee some people seem to experience when they see a game fail - in fact it seems that it gives them so much pleasure they will actively go and invent bullshit just in order to create a negative atmosphere.... and then they'll smugly go back to WoW.

I might be stubborn but I'm not dumb. The writing's on the wall for everyone to read - if WAR fails then there is no future for MMOs. If EA with all its money and a stellar design team failed to beat WoW 's massive inertia then there is no chance for anyone else in the market. Just like AoC's failure hurt WAR so is WAR's failure going to hurt any other future MMO. 

What we might get in the end is the fulfillment of the old prophecy "Only WoW2 can beat WoW" and you know what that will mean - complete death of innovation and progression in MMOs because Bliz does what Bliz does best. WoW stopped MMO evolution for at least 5 years, many would say it actually set it back. If WAR fails then there is no hope for the genre whatsoever - WoW2 or whatever Blizzard's next mmo is going to be is probably going to be even more bland, plastic and shallow than WoW is. FFS WoW made EQ look deep, complex and freeform. Christ!

Somehow I think the MMO genre will be just fine if Warhammer craps out.  EA has been buying up forward thinking companies for years and grinding them into oblivion and fun PC games still seem to hit the market just fine.  Perhaps companies will FINALLY get the message about releasing games before they are A) ready and B) finished enough to compete. 

Perhaps the problem is the mega giant companies thinking they can just rush any POS MMO out the door and make buckets of money, because people will feel obligated to give the game time to develop after release. 

The game that "beats" WoW will come from someone who isn't overlorded by some corporate jackass that forces a game to release early.  A studio 38, metaplace or some other company that gives their devs a little freedom.  I don't know who it will be, but someone will start a new trend as things always do.  MMO populations will eventually even out across a broad spectrum of games, but not until developers learn to take their time. 

In the meantime all your "hateboy" rubbish is useless.  It isn't solving the problem, it isn't even addressing the problem and it sure isn't covering up the problem.  It just makes you some irrational crusader who sees their entire MMO future locked up in the success of one game and is desperate for it to succeed, even to the point of complete blindness to any opposing viewpoints being discussed.

Tearing down the people who have criticisms doesn't build up the game at all.  It just makes you incapable of discussing the issues presented.

Originally posted by markoraos

Originally posted by Raztor

 WoW gets bashed as much as any other game so saying WAR gets unfair treatment is not true. The number one problem with WAR is simply Scenarios drawing people away from oRvR, until people like you accept that fact scenarios will continue to provide easy xp, boring people out, people quitting from grinding those scenarios and then leaving the servers empty (in that order).

 

Blaming people on forums for the state of the game as it is now is dilusional.

 

Lol mate I warned Mythic on the dangers of scenarios sucking people away from open RvR A YEAR before the release. You should hear what I say about WAR on WHA boards.

However, on WHA I can afford to be critical but not here. It is you and wow fanbois like you who can't stand any other game to succeed and will do anything to hinder it that make me what I am on these boards.

WAR has its flaws, oh boy it does have them, and not all of them are fixable. However it is a great game nevertheless and I enjoy it immensely and I would hurt if it failed, and especially if it happened through no serious fault of its own.

Please tell me why do you and your fellow haters find so much joy in other games' difficulties? I'm really curious - is that a spurned lover thing? What is it? "You bastards turned your back to my baby! I hope you suffer!" Is it really that good for you? Does it make you feel righteous?

Haha, that is what you do to WoW. People like me just want a decent pvp game to play and dispair when it doesn't live up to it's promises. You on the other hand are so focused on protecting WAR at all costs that you help adding to it's demise without realising it.

Originally posted by Zayne3145

Good god man, all I see on these forums is your constant barrage of hatred toward WoW. What on earth has this game done to you to incite such bitter and vitriolic scorn? Sure this game is not for everyone, and I can respect that, but you carry on as if Blizzard have personally driven to your house and murdered each and every one of your family.

Calm down! WoW isn't going to die any time soon, and contrary to popular belief, it is NOT to blame for all the ills of the world, nor the current state of the MMO industry (you can thank spineless developers and fat cat publishers for that).

WoW is a monopolist and monopolists all behave in the same way: maximize profits by decreasing investment as much as possible - simply because they can. The customers have nowhere else to go.

FFS the prime reason WoTLK introduced that "world PvP" and those achievement titles is WAR. Do you think Blizzard would bother with those if there wasn't WAR as potential competition? Looool. Players have been asking for those things for the past 4 years and it was always "manjana" (that's "tomorrow" for you). Lol, if some poor dev at Bliz said "hey lets put those things in" a suit would come up with "what for? why should we spend money on these things when the players have nowhere else to go? You'd be hurting our percentages with unnecessary investments man. You're fired."

I thought it self evident what's happening here. You WoW guys will get hurt more with WAR's failure than its success. You'll get a lazy corp which doesn't care because it has no one to compete with... as was the case before serious competition appeared on the horizon. It'll be a Pyrrhic victory indeed.

Originally posted by Raztor

Originally posted by markoraos

Originally posted by Raztor

 WoW gets bashed as much as any other game so saying WAR gets unfair treatment is not true. The number one problem with WAR is simply Scenarios drawing people away from oRvR, until people like you accept that fact scenarios will continue to provide easy xp, boring people out, people quitting from grinding those scenarios and then leaving the servers empty (in that order).

 

Blaming people on forums for the state of the game as it is now is dilusional.

 

Lol mate I warned Mythic on the dangers of scenarios sucking people away from open RvR A YEAR before the release. You should hear what I say about WAR on WHA boards.

However, on WHA I can afford to be critical but not here. It is you and wow fanbois like you who can't stand any other game to succeed and will do anything to hinder it that make me what I am on these boards.

WAR has its flaws, oh boy it does have them, and not all of them are fixable. However it is a great game nevertheless and I enjoy it immensely and I would hurt if it failed, and especially if it happened through no serious fault of its own.

Please tell me why do you and your fellow haters find so much joy in other games' difficulties? I'm really curious - is that a spurned lover thing? What is it? "You bastards turned your back to my baby! I hope you suffer!" Is it really that good for you? Does it make you feel righteous?

Haha, that is what you do to WoW. People like me just want a decent pvp game to play and dispair when it doesn't live up to it's promises. You on the other hand are so focused on protecting WAR at all costs that you help adding to it's demise without realising it.

Oh really? So your way of helping the game is to completely smear and bury it before it gets a chance to right itself out?

You are a total hypocrite.

WAR has problems which have gone steadily worse due to bleeding off of player population. The core problems of the game that you are so hung up about can all be fixed or at least worked around given enough time... and the devs have acknowledged them all and are working on them. The first big patch will DIRECTLY address the problems of Open RvR content and its rewards as well as the impact of scenarios on the game.

What else do you want?

You see I actually care about the game. When I list its flaws I do it to be constructive. What you do is present anything you can in the absolutely worst possible light.

Lol many is the time I actually defended WoW for its strong points. I say it has a lot of flaws which I find intolerable but it has a lot of good stuff about it as well. I never EVER saw you or your ilk acknowledge ANYTHING positive about WAR. FFS when Mythic announced they're putting new classes in the game it was a "bad thing" . When they gave out a whole new scenario for free it was a "bad thing". It seems everything is bad in this game for you and yet is me who is called raving and biased. Lol. Just plain lol.

I love watching the fall and decline of games on these forums mwahahahaha :D

WoW only has a monoply on the market due to the FAILURES of other companies.   Nothing more need be said about that.  The problem isn't blizzard, the problem is everyone else.

Trust me, warhammer can fail and things will go on.  It might be the end for you personally due to your investment in this games future, but MMOs will be fine and might actually come out better in the long run if developers start taking releases a little more serious.

Also, maybe you should stop labeling everyone for a while.  A lot of the people you call wow-boys really really really want to be fans of some other game like Warhammer.  You are acting just like the crazed Vanguard fans did around Vanguards release.  Blaming the players, blaming other games, yelling at anyone who says anything negative.  They sure helped speed that game to a quick demise you know?

Maybe it is time Mythic manned up and opened some forums to face their customers concerns with some direct feedback and public discussion.

Originally posted by markoraos 

I might be stubborn but I'm not dumb. The writing's on the wall for everyone to read - if WAR fails then there is no future for MMOs. If EA with all its money and a stellar design team failed to budge WoW 's massive inertia then there is no chance for anyone else in the market. Just like AoC's failure hurt WAR so is WAR's failure going to hurt any other future MMO. 

There is a global crisis going on guys. Do you think anyone would invest in a AAA MMO if they saw goddamn EA fail at it? No.. they'll all say aw screw it -  there are safer investments than that. If EA + Mythic can't even attempt at WoW then that's it, good bye mmos. That's plain economic sense. Money talks.

God no, I think the market will be fine sans WAR.  What did WAR offer that was incrementally different from any other fantasy themepark?  That's the issue, and really why WAR is faltering.