Star Wars Galaxies

Originally posted by Obraik

Originally posted by Sharkypal

Originally posted by Obraik

Originally posted by Sharkypal

Originally posted by Obraik

Once again, this forum creates a Storm in a Teacup...

 

I dont think so. Im usually fairly pro SWG but the TCG is a scam and its also illegal, so it needs to go.

It is optional as you have rightly pointed out but as Burntvet pointed out, there is yet another buff item being introduced and a Ship, They do one space update in 5 years and now they want us to pay for the CHANCE at a ship?

Sorry, there is no excusing this kind of blatant"scammery". I will do whatever I can to get the TCG shutdown.

We pay a subscription fee for continued content etc, the TCG should be seperate from SWG. The only problem as far as SOE is concerned is that the TCG wouldnt make above 10p if it wasnt for the "scratch and win" aspect of it.

S

 

How is it any different to every other purchase item reward they and nearly every other MMO has done?  The Mustafarian bunker, the BARC, the Lava flea, Varactyl, ITV's, etc.  There is no scam, it's pretty clear that booster packs have a chance of having a loot card.  There's nothing illegal about it.

The "there's a buff item!" point doesn't really make a good argument.  As is seen with the buff item for the current loot line up, it's pretty insignificant and is barely used by anyone.  I could be wrong, but this latest buff is probably no different.  You're also a little off on your space updates - JTL came out November 2004 (4 years ago), RoTW included a space content update (which you had to pay for and came out in May 2005) and then the latest space update of Jan this year.

Yes, you pay a subscription for content in SWG and that's what you have been getting.  Chapter 11 just came out with your subscription money and there's GU6 not too far away and Chapter 12 in the new year.  The TCG and SWG ARE seperate, the Austin team had nothing to do with this TCG expansion, other then the art assets they created for it back in August when the TCG was released.

 

Ok, well as for the Bunker etc, these are guaranteed. It is not a game of chance, if you buy said expansion, you WILL receive these things.

The TCG is a lottery, and as SOE are quickly finiding out, gambling is regulated and you are not allowed to simply "start your own".

Yes, my timeline was off concerning space BUT again you know what you are getting when you pay for an expansion so it is your argument that is "a little off".

You dont seem to understand that the TCG does not guarantee anything except Virtual cards with the CHANCE of a loot card. Games of chance are gambling and gambling, as I stated before, is regulated by State, Province, Government etc.

That is actually why many places are being excluded and I intend to see to it that the list does not stop there. Gambling with real money has no place in SWG, if you cant see why its inclusion is very different from buying an expansion, then I guess we will have to agree to disagree.

S

Ugh, I've been through this whole discussion in another thread when the TCG first came out.  No, it's not gambling.  It's like buying a pack of cereal and getting a free random toy.  The booster packs are designed to induce new cards into your TCG deck.
 

Locations aren't excluded from getting the loot cards, they're excluded from participating in the TCG tournaments and sprints because they give rewards.  Due to international laws, it's complex for companies to give rewards internationally.  No one is restricted from getting the free booster packs or buying them.

Yes it is Im afraid. Its no different than a scratch and win card and that is gambling. Its fine to defend SWG, but you simply aren't objective. Denying the fact that the TCG is gambling is the same as denying that water is wet. It is gambling by definition and in practice.

International Law? Certain states are not allowed to participate. Thats got sod all to do with international law. Further, when certain state lottery commissions get wind of what SOE is up to it will be Soyonara TCG and good riddance in my book.

S

PS : And again, you miss the point, allow me to illustrate.

You buy a box of cereal and on the box it says "Free random toy inside". You are getting a toy, no matter what.

Crappy Trading Scam (TCG) You buy a booster pack and you are guaranteed NOTHING except virtual cards. That is gambling by definition. If you buy a scratch and win Lotto card you are essentially buying a piece of cardboard with a random chance of winning. In the TCG you buy virtual cardboard with a random chance of winning.

Originally posted by Obraik

Originally posted by Daffid011

What I find funny is how fast SOE can pump out expansions for something that is an addition revenue source to a subscription fee and yet how long it takes to make game content, let alone an actual game expansion.

 

Why doesn't that seem to concern anyone?

 

Well it is only a card game, there's not as many complexities as a traditional MMO liek SWG....

It's also about perception. If the TCG gets more expansions and content added to it then it gives the consumer the impression that the TCG is more important to SoE. That may not be the case but it can certainly appear that way to consumers, therefore it can be a source of a lot of frustration.

Originally posted by Sharkypal

Originally posted by Obraik

Originally posted by Sharkypal

Originally posted by Obraik

Originally posted by Sharkypal

Originally posted by Obraik

Once again, this forum creates a Storm in a Teacup...

 

I dont think so. Im usually fairly pro SWG but the TCG is a scam and its also illegal, so it needs to go.

It is optional as you have rightly pointed out but as Burntvet pointed out, there is yet another buff item being introduced and a Ship, They do one space update in 5 years and now they want us to pay for the CHANCE at a ship?

Sorry, there is no excusing this kind of blatant"scammery". I will do whatever I can to get the TCG shutdown.

We pay a subscription fee for continued content etc, the TCG should be seperate from SWG. The only problem as far as SOE is concerned is that the TCG wouldnt make above 10p if it wasnt for the "scratch and win" aspect of it.

S

 

How is it any different to every other purchase item reward they and nearly every other MMO has done?  The Mustafarian bunker, the BARC, the Lava flea, Varactyl, ITV's, etc.  There is no scam, it's pretty clear that booster packs have a chance of having a loot card.  There's nothing illegal about it.

The "there's a buff item!" point doesn't really make a good argument.  As is seen with the buff item for the current loot line up, it's pretty insignificant and is barely used by anyone.  I could be wrong, but this latest buff is probably no different.  You're also a little off on your space updates - JTL came out November 2004 (4 years ago), RoTW included a space content update (which you had to pay for and came out in May 2005) and then the latest space update of Jan this year.

Yes, you pay a subscription for content in SWG and that's what you have been getting.  Chapter 11 just came out with your subscription money and there's GU6 not too far away and Chapter 12 in the new year.  The TCG and SWG ARE seperate, the Austin team had nothing to do with this TCG expansion, other then the art assets they created for it back in August when the TCG was released.

 

Ok, well as for the Bunker etc, these are guaranteed. It is not a game of chance, if you buy said expansion, you WILL receive these things.

The TCG is a lottery, and as SOE are quickly finiding out, gambling is regulated and you are not allowed to simply "start your own".

Yes, my timeline was off concerning space BUT again you know what you are getting when you pay for an expansion so it is your argument that is "a little off".

You dont seem to understand that the TCG does not guarantee anything except Virtual cards with the CHANCE of a loot card. Games of chance are gambling and gambling, as I stated before, is regulated by State, Province, Government etc.

That is actually why many places are being excluded and I intend to see to it that the list does not stop there. Gambling with real money has no place in SWG, if you cant see why its inclusion is very different from buying an expansion, then I guess we will have to agree to disagree.

S

Ugh, I've been through this whole discussion in another thread when the TCG first came out.  No, it's not gambling.  It's like buying a pack of cereal and getting a free random toy.  The booster packs are designed to induce new cards into your TCG deck.
 

Locations aren't excluded from getting the loot cards, they're excluded from participating in the TCG tournaments and sprints because they give rewards.  Due to international laws, it's complex for companies to give rewards internationally.  No one is restricted from getting the free booster packs or buying them.

 

Yes it is Im afraid. Its no different than a scratch and win card and that is gambling. Its fine to defend SWG, but you simply aren't objective. Denying the fact that the TCG is gambling is the same as denying that water is wet. It is gambling by definition and in practice.

International Law? Certain states are not allowed to participate. Thats got sod all to do with international law. Further, when certain state lottery commissions get wind of what SOE is up to it will be Soyonara TCG and good riddance in my book.

S

PS : And again, you miss the point, allow me to illustrate.

You buy a box of cereal and on the box it says "Free random toy inside". You are getting a toy, no matter what.

Crappy Trading Scam (TCG) You buy a booster pack and you are guaranteed NOTHING except virtual cards. That is gambling by definition. If you buy a scratch and win Lotto card you are essentially buying a piece of cardboard with a random chance of winning. In the TCG you buy virtual cardboard with a random chance of winning.

 

No, because you're also getting that same product for free, 5 times a month (5 packs). Only if it could be proven that the free packs have less of a chance of dropping the loot cards than the paid packs would any kind of gambling allegation stick. They seem to have their bases covered on this one, at least by U.S. law.

Originally posted by Sharkypal

Originally posted by Obraik

Originally posted by Sharkypal

Originally posted by Obraik

Originally posted by Sharkypal

Originally posted by Obraik

Once again, this forum creates a Storm in a Teacup...

 

I dont think so. Im usually fairly pro SWG but the TCG is a scam and its also illegal, so it needs to go.

It is optional as you have rightly pointed out but as Burntvet pointed out, there is yet another buff item being introduced and a Ship, They do one space update in 5 years and now they want us to pay for the CHANCE at a ship?

Sorry, there is no excusing this kind of blatant"scammery". I will do whatever I can to get the TCG shutdown.

We pay a subscription fee for continued content etc, the TCG should be seperate from SWG. The only problem as far as SOE is concerned is that the TCG wouldnt make above 10p if it wasnt for the "scratch and win" aspect of it.

S

 

How is it any different to every other purchase item reward they and nearly every other MMO has done?  The Mustafarian bunker, the BARC, the Lava flea, Varactyl, ITV's, etc.  There is no scam, it's pretty clear that booster packs have a chance of having a loot card.  There's nothing illegal about it.

The "there's a buff item!" point doesn't really make a good argument.  As is seen with the buff item for the current loot line up, it's pretty insignificant and is barely used by anyone.  I could be wrong, but this latest buff is probably no different.  You're also a little off on your space updates - JTL came out November 2004 (4 years ago), RoTW included a space content update (which you had to pay for and came out in May 2005) and then the latest space update of Jan this year.

Yes, you pay a subscription for content in SWG and that's what you have been getting.  Chapter 11 just came out with your subscription money and there's GU6 not too far away and Chapter 12 in the new year.  The TCG and SWG ARE seperate, the Austin team had nothing to do with this TCG expansion, other then the art assets they created for it back in August when the TCG was released.

 

Ok, well as for the Bunker etc, these are guaranteed. It is not a game of chance, if you buy said expansion, you WILL receive these things.

The TCG is a lottery, and as SOE are quickly finiding out, gambling is regulated and you are not allowed to simply "start your own".

Yes, my timeline was off concerning space BUT again you know what you are getting when you pay for an expansion so it is your argument that is "a little off".

You dont seem to understand that the TCG does not guarantee anything except Virtual cards with the CHANCE of a loot card. Games of chance are gambling and gambling, as I stated before, is regulated by State, Province, Government etc.

That is actually why many places are being excluded and I intend to see to it that the list does not stop there. Gambling with real money has no place in SWG, if you cant see why its inclusion is very different from buying an expansion, then I guess we will have to agree to disagree.

S

Ugh, I've been through this whole discussion in another thread when the TCG first came out.  No, it's not gambling.  It's like buying a pack of cereal and getting a free random toy.  The booster packs are designed to induce new cards into your TCG deck.
 

Locations aren't excluded from getting the loot cards, they're excluded from participating in the TCG tournaments and sprints because they give rewards.  Due to international laws, it's complex for companies to give rewards internationally.  No one is restricted from getting the free booster packs or buying them.

 

Yes it is Im afraid. Its no different than a scratch and win card and that is gambling. Its fine to defend SWG, but you simply aren't objective. Denying the fact that the TCG is gambling is the same as denying that water is wet. It is gambling by definition and in practice.

International Law? Certain states are not allowed to participate. Thats got sod all to do with international law. Further, when certain state lottery commissions get wind of what SOE is up to it will be Soyonara TCG and good riddance in my book.

S

PS : And again, you miss the point, allow me to illustrate.

You buy a box of cereal and on the box it says "Free random toy inside". You are getting a toy, no matter what.

Crappy Trading Scam (TCG) You buy a booster pack and you are guaranteed NOTHING except virtual cards. That is gambling by definition. If you buy a scratch and win Lotto card you are essentially buying a piece of cardboard with a random chance of winning. In the TCG you buy virtual cardboard with a random chance of winning.

 

It's nothing like gambling and everything like promotions you see every day in stores.  Right now on the Coke bottle I'm drinking from I have the chance to win another free Coke bottle.  Unfortunately for me, the underneath of the cap says "Not a winner".   Keeping with the Coke example, previous promotions have included the chance to win one of the Ford Falcon's that the All Blacks drive - again, none of my bottles ended up winning. 
 

Once again, the exclusions have nothing to do with the loot cards and the TCG's (minor) intergration with SWG - they determine who are allowed to enter in the TCG Tournaments and Sprints that allow people to win Promo cards if they rank well. 

Originally posted by Obraik 

It's nothing like gambling and everything like promotions you see every day in stores.  Right now on the Coke bottle I'm drinking from I have the chance to win another free Coke bottle.  Unfortunately for me, the underneath of the cap says "Not a winner".   Keeping with the Coke example, previous promotions have included the chance to win one of the Ford Falcon's that the All Blacks drive - again, none of my bottles ended up winning. 
 

Once again, the exclusions have nothing to do with the loot cards and the TCG's (minor) intergration with SWG - they determine who are allowed to enter in the TCG Tournaments and Sprints that allow people to win Promo cards if they rank well. 

All of the promotions you mention are no purchase necessary. 

Not that I have much to contribute to the legal status of the card game.

Originally posted by Daffid011

Originally posted by Obraik 

It's nothing like gambling and everything like promotions you see every day in stores.  Right now on the Coke bottle I'm drinking from I have the chance to win another free Coke bottle.  Unfortunately for me, the underneath of the cap says "Not a winner".   Keeping with the Coke example, previous promotions have included the chance to win one of the Ford Falcon's that the All Blacks drive - again, none of my bottles ended up winning. 
 

Once again, the exclusions have nothing to do with the loot cards and the TCG's (minor) intergration with SWG - they determine who are allowed to enter in the TCG Tournaments and Sprints that allow people to win Promo cards if they rank well. 

All of the promotions you mention are no purchase necessary. 

Not that I have much to contribute to the legal status of the card game.

I can't win the Ford Falcon or the free Coke without buying the original Coke bottle.  Just like I can't get the free loot card without the Booster pack.