Lord of the Rings Online

this points out a problem on pve-designed games. there is no option for revenge. if it were UO, that guy, instead of being rude, would have just started attacking the OP, setting the topic on a much more fair manner.

the other way is also possible, if someone is rude to you, instead of adding him to the "ignore" list, you can pursue and hunt him and then steal his belongings. to me, that is the best way to settle discussions on online games.

WoW, LoTRO, EQ, etc, have not this option, and that means you must bear with idiots without providing any valid tool to counter attack.

Well, I don't know the exact situation but if it looks like it went bad for the dude and you got in and helped him, he is proabably one of the regular 5% morons you meet in every game.

And yes, even if he had it easy he could just have told you to stay away politley, it is not as if you tried to ninja hes loot or something and a few XP isn't really worth a mess anyways.

But always check how the fight is going before try to help anyone.

I too am surprised at how many people in this thread appear to be playing LotrRO and to not realise that attacking another players target or healing a player while they are fighting a mob will cost that player half their XP. It is considered bad etiquette to "help" another player in this way unless it is obvious they are in serious trouble.

Originally posted by reaperuk

I too am surprised at how many people in this thread appear to be playing LotrRO and to not realise that attacking another players target or healing a player while they are fighting a mob will cost that player half their XP. It is considered bad etiquette to "help" another player in this way unless it is obvious they are in serious trouble.

I've been playing LOTRO since beta and did not know this until reading this thread.  It makes logical sense though, curbs the ability to power level people.

Also I can't believe that people care this much about a few lousy XP.   I honestly don't even pay attention to the XP I get from mobs because it is next to nothing in comparison with quest completion XP.  I welcome help any time anywhere in the game.

Edit:  If I'm ever dying and get a tell from a nearby player asking if I need help instead of just helping me.... I will quit.

Originally posted by Sovrath

Originally posted by Torak

It depends on the player and the game.

Back in the old games kill stealing was a problem and proper ettiquet was to ask first before jumping in and helping otherwise it was view as griefing.

Now in LotR, if I recall, if you jump in and "help" someone, they don't lose any XP so no real harm BUT there are older players who just don't like that because that's how they were "brought up" in MMO's so to speak.

Personally I hate it when someone jumps in on my mob. I played several MMO where that was basically a taunt and a challenge. I have to "tone done" in PvE games where the other player probably doesn't mean anything by it and thinks they are just being helpful vs a game like L2 where the other player is being a d*ckhead and trying to provoke me into a fight.

 

 

 

And that's exactly it. In a game like L2, for the most part, every mob means you are one (lol.. who am I kidding.. .01 after about 4) percent closer to getting your next lvl. Someone messes with your mobs and it's a good ol' fight or even a war.

but games like LOTRO really are more about story and not about pvp competiton in any form.

Problem is that there are a whole lot'o dickheads running around who would like nothing better than to attack everything you attack and laugh while doing it. But I find that though LOTRO has them, it seems that for the most part there are really people who just want to help. And as there isn't any xp loss for the person "in trouble" for the most part it can be taken at face value.

I mean, I have helped many people who were over run by mobs but sometimes I waited a bit too long to see if they were in trouble only to take out the last mob about .5 seconds after he was defeated. Of course I could ask but in reality when you are trying to juggle several mobs, are you really going to take your hands off of everything only to hit "enter" and type "yes please help".

And of course the nice thing about L2 was that you could click to some far off place on the map and then type "help", where in a game like LOTRO the best you can do is hope you are facing in a decent direction, hit autorun and hope that you just don't run into a wall ; ) LoL, yeah one of the benefits of that movement system.

Sure I understand, I was just trying to give a reason why the other player got upset.
 

I know with myself, I can get touchy but then I'm like "oh wait, in this game it doesn't matter".

Even old AC and EQ had these problems of kill stealers and such. If you remember when EQII launched that had that "mob lock" system where once you attacked a mob no one could attack that mob at all. I mean NO ONE unless they grouped. I know its different now but back at launch it was a pain because peeps counldn't help no matter how many times you yelled for help.

On the other side in LotR some guy cussed me out backwards and forewards because I DIDN'T help him. Now I will be honest and admit I wasn't even paying attention to the guy, he breezed by and I didn't see what he was doing or where he even was, I was doing my own thing. Well he died and got in the public chat and started hooting about how I just stood there and watched him die. Well I replied in private that I honestly wasn't paying attention BUT he continued to cry about it in the general chat...So all I said was "I didn't realize it was my turn to babysit you".  I was thinking Lord its LotR the death penalty is like nothing, STFU about it already. It was one of those L2 moments I would have hunted the guy down and killed him just for being a weenie.

Anyway, different expectations in different games. In PvE environments I admit I'm a lot less aware of other players around me but I never interfer with anyone unless they ask. You never know how people are going to react.

  Maybe you're new to MMO's and don't understand the unwritten rules of MMO etiquette. If you happen to see somebody fighting a mob whose obviously in control of the fight. It's considered rude to simply rush in and start laying waste to the mob. It's very frustrating when you're enjoying the solo challenge of the mob and the xp rewarded for its defeat, and then along comes Tim nice but dim and ruins that enjoyment for you.

  You may mean well, but you got to realize some people just like to chill and solo for a bit and don't want help. Same as a person born with dwarfism standing at a bus stop wouldn't appreciate people give him a lift up like a child onto the bus steps when the bus arrives. It doesn't hurt to ask if they would like a hand first.
 

Will healing or buffing reduce the persons xp ? or debuffing the mob ??

Originally posted by cujo603

Will healing or buffing reduce the persons xp ? or debuffing the mob ??

All of the above it would seem.

Originally posted by a_name

It's shocking how many people don't understand that even if you buff someone while passing them in LOTRO you take away their experience, you gain NOTHING, that includes healing them, debuffing their mob or attacking it, all you did was grief them, period, no 2 ways around it. You want to save someone? Go find a friend... leave strangers to do what they like, even if it is to die.

http://lorebook.lotro.com/wiki/Mechanics:%22Assist%22_Exp_Penalty

"So, if you're solo and another solo player "assists" you, then you get exactly 50% of the experience you would have normally gotten."

I actually can't stand people helping me that aren't with me. I am about ready t go off next time someone cuts in on my mob. I understand an accidental aoe but I'm not seeing that - I'm seeing people totally oblivious to what they are doing that stand around waiting on a thank you. You don't deserve any thanks for being an ass.

#1 reason the xp loss

Ok, at max level we could all help each other but now - you cut into my xp - we aren't going to be pals afterward.

#2 done at the wrong time

If I am no where near even half morale, GET AWAY, this is my mob and my class - I will do it - just because I don't kill as fast as you expect me to, I am going to be fine.

#3 messes up testing

I can't count how many times tonight I was working on a mob to test my new pet or to see what these vague legendary skill alter and some nimbleboy comes along with his wee bow and just "