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qombi  12/01/08 9:28:00 AM

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I bought the recent expansion pack and have been playing it recently. Overall alot feels familar upon returning  after a year break or so. I quit shortly after TBC was released, I did not enjoy what the game had become. I did not enjoy the  new focus on arena play and I did not enjoy multitarget tanking with my warrior.

The game  felt seperated into two parts,  pve and pvp with the  resilience change and my warrior could only fit into one part. Well I have had  a better experience with multitarget tanking in WOTLK. The issue is I haven't found the challenge in instances in WOTLK. At this point Blackrock Depths is more challenging. Great tanking is easier now but no one crowd controls, and the mobs hit for so little. It is a cinch to keep every monster hitting me with ease the entire instance 4-6 at a time and take little damage and no downtime. People refuse to crowd control now because  you don't have to win.

In TBC tanking multiple targets was too hard as a warrior because the original game wasn't designed for you to tank multiple monsters. But at least in TBC the monsters would hit hard and crowd control was needed at least before everyone is wearing epic gear. I am in quest gear in WOTLK and haven't died once the entire time I have been in instances so far. The lack of a challenge bothers me. I like some strategy in dungeons, not AE everything down.

I will continue on playing past 76 and give further reports, but as of now WOTLK is too easy. I know the game is still seperated into two paths, pvp and pve which is not good in my opinion and arena is still a focus but I will try some raiding.

 
blondeh  12/01/08 9:35:29 AM

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TBC was too easy aswell pre level 70. Hell even the early level 70 content was very easy.

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Azrile  12/01/08 9:41:59 AM

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Yeah, they probably went overboard a little bit on multi-target threat for tanks.  The problem in the past was it was very hard to find tanks because there were so few really good tanks out there.    Multi-target tanking was by far the hardest thing in the game (warriors and druids).   There were so many bad warrior and druid tanks, that people would only PUG with a paladin, since even a bad paladin tank could do large pulls pretty easily.

In order to eleviate the high demand for tanks, and to get away from everyone wanting a pally tank, they gave warriors and druids much better multi-target tools.  The problem now is that bad tanks can get you through a dungeon run, but a good tank will allow you to AOE down every pull.   My tank is a bear, and I get annoyed when druids,mages and locks start hitting the big AOE nukes because I know that in the future, that will get us killed.   It makes for smooth runs now, but if they don't learn to use their CC abilities and focus fire, later on they will be doing a lot of death runs.

The devs said they are fine with people aoe'ing down the 'leveling' instances, but they doubt (and its' been my experience) that you can't aoe the lvl 80 instances or the heroic instances.   You will still have some idiots try, but as long as your healer says " sorry, my rez is on CD, you'll have to run back"... they will learn soon enough.

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jason_webb  12/01/08 9:45:36 AM

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Originally posted by qombi
I will continue on playing past 76 and give further reports, but as of now WOTLK is too easy. I know the game is still seperated into two paths, pvp and pve which is not good in my opinion and arena is still a focus but I will try some raiding.

I sorta get where you are coming from, but this final statement invalidates your whole point. You can't really write off the whole expansion as being too easy when you haven't completed all of the content now can you?

You also say that tanking is too easy, but you fail to mention what you have found too easy? Which instances and MOB's are you talking about?

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Azrile  12/01/08 9:52:36 AM

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Originally posted by jason_webb

 


Originally posted by qombi
I will continue on playing past 76 and give further reports, but as of now WOTLK is too easy. I know the game is still seperated into two paths, pvp and pve which is not good in my opinion and arena is still a focus but I will try some raiding.

 

I sorta get where you are coming from, but this final statement invalidates your whole point. You can't really write off the whole expansion as being too easy when you haven't completed all of the content now can you?

You also say that tanking is too easy, but you fail to mention what you have found too easy? Which instances and MOB's are you talking about?
 


 

ah, i just noticed that lvl 76 comment.   The leveling instances (pre 80) are definitely easy on a tank which allows the dps to use AOE abilities.   The lvl 80 dungeons and the heroics are harder.   They are more like BC where you can only really AOE down the non-elite mobs.

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qombi  12/01/08 9:54:53 AM

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Originally posted by blondeh

TBC was too easy aswell pre level 70. Hell even the early level 70 content was very easy.

 

Yes I will agree with you that previous content was easy as well but the point I am making is they have went too far this time. Now it is too easy to enjoy.

 
qombi  12/01/08 10:01:10 AM

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Originally posted by Azrile
Originally posted by jason_webb

 


Originally posted by qombi
I will continue on playing past 76 and give further reports, but as of now WOTLK is too easy. I know the game is still seperated into two paths, pvp and pve which is not good in my opinion and arena is still a focus but I will try some raiding.

 

I sorta get where you are coming from, but this final statement invalidates your whole point. You can't really write off the whole expansion as being too easy when you haven't completed all of the content now can you?

You also say that tanking is too easy, but you fail to mention what you have found too easy? Which instances and MOB's are you talking about?
 


 

ah, i just noticed that lvl 76 comment.   The leveling instances (pre 80) are definitely easy on a tank which allows the dps to use AOE abilities.   The lvl 80 dungeons and the heroics are harder.   They are more like BC where you can only really AOE down the non-elite mobs.

 

I will continue on to experience these dungeons as well. I have not written off the game just yet. I still think that even in these early level 80 dungeons a tank should not be able to take hits from that many elites without taking much damage. After all this isn't a beginner dungeon, the game is 1-80 now and  those  dungeons should have been back at Ragefire Chasm and Wailing Caverns .. but you know what I remember having more trouble out of Wailing Caverns and Deadmines than some of the new dungeons in  WOTLK. : ) Taking 3-6 monsters at a time in Deadmines could have been deadly.

 
Airdefier  12/01/08 11:34:05 AM

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Get your pro-face on

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You know they are going to release more patches with more content right?

T8 and T9 still have to come out.

not to mention several other dungeons.

 

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Loke666  12/01/08 11:46:14 AM

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You shouldn't compare lvl 76 with 70 of TBC, you should compare it with lvl 66.

All that said, and I don't play Wow myself now but all my friends who are playing (a lot of people) do agree that the game is simpler now, seems like many players asked for that on the forums.

So, well OP if it is so easy why are you not 80 already?

Anyways, if the majority of the players wants a easier game, can you really blame Blizzard for giving them that? As far as I heard the complains were lot about that only a few selected players could experience the whole game so Blizzard made the RAIDs a bit easier so more could play them. Blizzard have always given the players what they wanted, that is why Wow have so many players.

If you want a really hard game, maybe you should try something else? There are harder games out there you know...