Star Wars Galaxies

Originally posted by Antaran

Originally posted by Thunderous

If I were SOE and SWG was the failure it is and I have the bad reputation from this game that SOE does, I would want to milk as much money from SWG as possible as well.

I don't blame SOE one bit for the TCG, it's a great idea and it's probably making them quite a bit more money than just the SWG subs were.

I don't see how they are accountable for the actions of those who play the game...  It's a weak attempt to blame SOE for the actions of the players.  SOE has done a hell of a lot of things wrong but the TCG isn't one of them.

Players are accountable to themselves.  SOE isn't forcing them to play the TCG.

 

You do make a good point, like many others here, about SOE not forcing people to take part, but your all missing the point, what your all saying is like saying that the national lottery doesn't force people to play, casinos don't force people to play, yet they're regulated because they're recognised as gambling, so why shouldn't this be regulated and actually advertised as gambling also? It requires real currency from the player in order to "BET" on a CHANCE of recieving something, this is what defines gambling no matter where or how it's employed.

Obviously, no one forces you to buy the cards. Im not really that interested in that aspect of it. There IS an element of self control involved, but the real issue here is that SOE is involved in an illegal lottery that needs to be regulated and made to comply with state, provincial and international law.

S

Originally posted by Sharkypal

Originally posted by Antaran

Originally posted by Thunderous

If I were SOE and SWG was the failure it is and I have the bad reputation from this game that SOE does, I would want to milk as much money from SWG as possible as well.

I don't blame SOE one bit for the TCG, it's a great idea and it's probably making them quite a bit more money than just the SWG subs were.

I don't see how they are accountable for the actions of those who play the game...  It's a weak attempt to blame SOE for the actions of the players.  SOE has done a hell of a lot of things wrong but the TCG isn't one of them.

Players are accountable to themselves.  SOE isn't forcing them to play the TCG.

 

You do make a good point, like many others here, about SOE not forcing people to take part, but your all missing the point, what your all saying is like saying that the national lottery doesn't force people to play, casinos don't force people to play, yet they're regulated because they're recognised as gambling, so why shouldn't this be regulated and actually advertised as gambling also? It requires real currency from the player in order to "BET" on a CHANCE of recieving something, this is what defines gambling no matter where or how it's employed.

 

Obviously, no one forces you to buy the cards. Im not really that interested in that aspect of it. There IS an element of self control involved, but the real issue here is that SOE is involved in an illegal lottery that needs to be regulated and made to comply with state, provinvial and international law.

S

 

you gotta win something of value for it to be a lottery that needs regulation. . .
 

Originally posted by Inat_mivea

Originally posted by Sharkypal

Originally posted by Antaran

Originally posted by Thunderous

If I were SOE and SWG was the failure it is and I have the bad reputation from this game that SOE does, I would want to milk as much money from SWG as possible as well.

I don't blame SOE one bit for the TCG, it's a great idea and it's probably making them quite a bit more money than just the SWG subs were.

I don't see how they are accountable for the actions of those who play the game...  It's a weak attempt to blame SOE for the actions of the players.  SOE has done a hell of a lot of things wrong but the TCG isn't one of them.

Players are accountable to themselves.  SOE isn't forcing them to play the TCG.

 

You do make a good point, like many others here, about SOE not forcing people to take part, but your all missing the point, what your all saying is like saying that the national lottery doesn't force people to play, casinos don't force people to play, yet they're regulated because they're recognised as gambling, so why shouldn't this be regulated and actually advertised as gambling also? It requires real currency from the player in order to "BET" on a CHANCE of recieving something, this is what defines gambling no matter where or how it's employed.

 

Obviously, no one forces you to buy the cards. Im not really that interested in that aspect of it. There IS an element of self control involved, but the real issue here is that SOE is involved in an illegal lottery that needs to be regulated and made to comply with state, provinvial and international law.

S

 

you gotta win something of value for it to be a lottery that needs regulation. . .
 

Yah, and as you have been told already, because these cards sell for real money and the items sell for real money, they have monetary value. SOE have made it difficult to pin this down, but its an illegal gambling operation, pure and simple.

S

no because im not a idiot

Buying TCG cards isn't gambling for the same reason buying a large fry with a Monopoly game piece from McDonald's isn't gambling.  You pay for a product and you get said product.  The product simply has a chance to be worth more than you paid via an in-game item or an HDTV or what-have-you.

Originally posted by Sharkypal

Originally posted by Inat_mivea

Originally posted by Sharkypal

Originally posted by Antaran

Originally posted by Thunderous

If I were SOE and SWG was the failure it is and I have the bad reputation from this game that SOE does, I would want to milk as much money from SWG as possible as well.

I don't blame SOE one bit for the TCG, it's a great idea and it's probably making them quite a bit more money than just the SWG subs were.

I don't see how they are accountable for the actions of those who play the game...  It's a weak attempt to blame SOE for the actions of the players.  SOE has done a hell of a lot of things wrong but the TCG isn't one of them.

Players are accountable to themselves.  SOE isn't forcing them to play the TCG.

 

You do make a good point, like many others here, about SOE not forcing people to take part, but your all missing the point, what your all saying is like saying that the national lottery doesn't force people to play, casinos don't force people to play, yet they're regulated because they're recognised as gambling, so why shouldn't this be regulated and actually advertised as gambling also? It requires real currency from the player in order to "BET" on a CHANCE of recieving something, this is what defines gambling no matter where or how it's employed.

 

Obviously, no one forces you to buy the cards. Im not really that interested in that aspect of it. There IS an element of self control involved, but the real issue here is that SOE is involved in an illegal lottery that needs to be regulated and made to comply with state, provinvial and international law.

S

 

you gotta win something of value for it to be a lottery that needs regulation. . .
 

 

Yah, and as you have been told already, because these cards sell for real money and the items sell for real money, they have monetary value. SOE have made it difficult to pin this down, but its an illegal gambling operation, pure and simple.

S

but you're not paying for the "cards" (which dont exist); you're paying for the entertainment. The same thing we all pay for in our monthly subscription.

Originally posted by Inat_mivea

Originally posted by Sharkypal

Originally posted by Inat_mivea

Originally posted by Sharkypal

Originally posted by Antaran

Originally posted by Thunderous

If I were SOE and SWG was the failure it is and I have the bad reputation from this game that SOE does, I would want to milk as much money from SWG as possible as well.

I don't blame SOE one bit for the TCG, it's a great idea and it's probably making them quite a bit more money than just the SWG subs were.

I don't see how they are accountable for the actions of those who play the game...  It's a weak attempt to blame SOE for the actions of the players.  SOE has done a hell of a lot of things wrong but the TCG isn't one of them.

Players are accountable to themselves.  SOE isn't forcing them to play the TCG.

 

You do make a good point, like many others here, about SOE not forcing people to take part, but your all missing the point, what your all saying is like saying that the national lottery doesn't force people to play, casinos don't force people to play, yet they're regulated because they're recognised as gambling, so why shouldn't this be regulated and actually advertised as gambling also? It requires real currency from the player in order to "BET" on a CHANCE of recieving something, this is what defines gambling no matter where or how it's employed.

 

Obviously, no one forces you to buy the cards. Im not really that interested in that aspect of it. There IS an element of self control involved, but the real issue here is that SOE is involved in an illegal lottery that needs to be regulated and made to comply with state, provinvial and international law.

S

 

you gotta win something of value for it to be a lottery that needs regulation. . .
 

 

Yah, and as you have been told already, because these cards sell for real money and the items sell for real money, they have monetary value. SOE have made it difficult to pin this down, but its an illegal gambling operation, pure and simple.

S

 

but you're not paying for the "cards" (which dont exist); you're paying for the entertainment. The same thing we all pay for in our monthly subscription.

Sharkypal m8, i think this is a lost argument, people are just too ignorant to the fact that it's quite literally gambling, even after i posted the definition of the word as it is in dictionaries earlier.

Originally posted by Sharkypal

Originally posted by Obraik

Originally posted by Sharkypal

  Why would anyone not want players to know these things?

 

You have to wonder why Obraik et al seem so vehemently opposed to this. It defies the logic that any consumer would apply to this type of situation. He'd rather the government regulated people's right to have a credit card (based on their various predispositions) according to his previous comments 

S

 

I've told you the reason for my stance on this.  I suggest you take your own advice and read through the thread.  If all you got out of