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Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

Originally posted by LukePlumber

Originally posted by IdesofMarch

Originally posted by LukePlumber

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

He sounds anything but professional. I can’t wait for something to go wrong, and watch what comes out of his mouth.

 Tasos was completely right. Why do you people WANT a game to fail? Why don't you want to increase the bar for MMORPGs and hope for the standart to get better? We can probably all agree the last years haven't been exactly the best MMORPGs in general have seen so don't you think it's time for a succesful release now?

It's not that people want the game to fail.

 

sorry, but  "I can’t wait for something to go wrong" really doesn't sound all that friendly and hoping to me

 

 

Something always goes wrong, people bitch about anything, read the forums here much? My point being, he wont be able to handle it in a professional manner.

 

We have seen this before.

 

i bet he will handle it just fine

Cracks me up when he calls the skeptics trolls.  They have let no one see the game, have not shown it at any shows or let anyone play it besides internal testers and he wonders why people are a bit skeptical about the game's existence?  He really can't be that naive can he?

As to marketing, again, completely clueless how to market a game these days.  All they had to do was show it at a few shows and let some journalists test play it.  Would have marketed itself.  Instead we have this deep secrecy.  I think the guy is afraid someone other than his internal team might play it.  Mark Tasos and Adventurine completely lost in this regard.

I hope they have great success with Darkfall, the genre needs some new blood to inject some life into the industry.  Too many clone makers out there crowding out the originality that once was common in this industry.

My only question is, with this very limited testing they are doing, how does he know that the server software will support a large number active players?  There is no way to simulate such except live testing and I don't see them doing much with this before release.

Originally posted by Pyrostasis

Originally posted by downtoearth

Originally posted by Zorvan

Originally posted by downtoearth

Originally posted by Pyrostasis

Just wanted to throw my 2 cents in.

Is there a lot of hate towards DF? Yes.

Could Tasos's rather blatant arogance in the thread be due to the hate? Sure, probably is.

Then my question would be, Why has Adventurine, and Tasos cultured and fueled this hate?

Every thing they release is vague, extremely vague. They dodge questions that arent about gameplay, or NDA game features, but about development cycles. They dont do any main stream media previews, and when they finally hit a mainstream outlet, they come off as curt and rude.

Sure MMORPG.com asked some tough questions... but... its nothing that most of us that are labeled as "Haters" by the fanbois have been screaming about for years.

Most of us that are skeptical about DF, have been following the game since we played UO and AC1. We were at one point in time rather hopeful about the game (at least I know I was)... but you can only fake start beta so many times, pretend to be close to launch so many times. Eventually you get to the point that you want to see some hard evidence before you get your hopes up again.

Adventurine could turn around the DF negativity TOMORROW, by letting IGN, MMORPG, Gamespy, and a few others into beta, and giving them freedom to post what they think. Information would flood out, skeptics would have their doubts either shattered or confirmed, and DF would get some much needed publicity.

Adventurine however has chosen to treat DF like the roswel incident. We know somethings going on in that dessert, but we dont know if its aliens or a weather ballon.

IF darkfall is as close to release as Tasos claims, then there is no reason to NOT get the media behind them. Its free advertising.

However, assuming everything is as good as Tasos says (which we have no third party to verify that) the only thing that disturbs me is beta. Several hundred people is less than 1000. Most MMO servers now have 2000 - 10000 people on one server. With so few people there, they have no way of stress testing the servers or their network. Even if Darkfall is as badass as we are being led to believe, we are being setup for experiencing server side lag and conectivity issues that havent been seen since the first week of Ultima Online launch back in August of 1997.

actully this has been convered in journal but it wasnt full of details how but yea they found a way to do tis called npc/ai that cause just as much stress as real players. also you can packet spam the server.

but ir emeber taoss saying the server cant till the diffrence between a real player and the npc/bots/ai in game
  pretty good hint how they did it

Ah, yes. The amazing Darkfall AI which not only controls all those goblins but also beta test the game.
 

I still get a laugh from that one.

 

that isnt what tasos meant by a i helping them it really hard ot explain. let me put this in a way youll understand

bots/ai/npc cause same stress as real players. (server cant tell the diffrence from players or npcs) ai skilsl up jsut like a rela player it roams it does stuff  jsu tliek a real player would it builds yada yada yada. to what extent do they help who knows but the main one i bet is stress granted theys till need to let alto of people in to double check everything. but i have seen a fake npc logged into (cough swg pre cu emulator that was causign the same stress as a real person)

There we go, I can argue that.

See, bots and AI cant cause the same stress for multiple reasons.

#1 they were programed by the same people who programed the game.

#2 Computers are only as good as they were programed

#3 Players do things programers never intended them to do or try, that pretty much breaks 2 and 1

#4 Players use third party apps to try and break the game and cheat...AI doesnt do that.

#5 Most importantly, Players connect from outside the building, from different regions, states, etc. AI connects internally. Its not going to stress test the network infrastructure.

#6 Players use different pcs, millions and millions of different systems, AI doesnt test that.

 

Thats just a few rather simple issues I can come up with that AI cant solve.... and those issues alone could cause MASSIVE problems.

I agree with everything you said my friend.  The guy has no clue what he's talking about.  But you minds well be talking to a fly, which is about the same mentality as the DF fanboys.

Originally posted by imbant

Originally posted by Stradden

Originally posted by Isane
 

The guy(Tasos)  is spot on he has given as good as he gets, the mmorpg question were all negative as if the owners of this site are becoming more and more like the troll fest that inhabits this site. No interest in games just in point scoring.

Better sites for DFO info and MMO info than this exist, lucky IMHO that Tasos even bothered to give them a few sound bytes. The trash talkers here just don't deserve it.

Is it that long since i posted here!!!!

Well done Aventuring and well done Tasos you made the interviewer look a little pathetic. stand your corner and what you believe in for these reasons DFO will be great.

And well said Kal'Theo

 

How were those questions all negative? They were perfectly legitimate questions that many people have been asking about the game for quite some time and I thought that Tasos did a fine job of answering them.

We are INCREDIBLY interested in Darkfall(and all new MMOs for that matter). Not to sound rude, I eman you';re entitled to your opinion, but would you have preferred I ask what his favorite color was?

 

The questions that were asked were exactly what you should have asked based on what the intentions of the interview seemed to be....a broad coverage of the general development cycle and thought process of the dev team.

You werent asking gameplay detailed questions which is fine....the fact that you got him to mention that they will be annoucning a release date over the next couple of days is causing forums everywhere to go nuts so GOOD JOB!

I agree great job MMORPG, you got him nailed down to announcing an official release date “in a few days”, exactly what many of us wanted.

If this date is not within the year then they have delayed again, and this was just more of the usual BS we have been getting for years.

But if this date is still within the year things will get a lot more interesting.

Originally posted by downtoearth

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

Originally posted by LukePlumber

Originally posted by IdesofMarch

Originally posted by LukePlumber

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

He sounds anything but professional. I can’t wait for something to go wrong, and watch what comes out of his mouth.

 Tasos was completely right. Why do you people WANT a game to fail? Why don't you want to increase the bar for MMORPGs and hope for the standart to get better? We can probably all agree the last years haven't been exactly the best MMORPGs in general have seen so don't you think it's time for a succesful release now?

It's not that people want the game to fail.

 

sorry, but  "I can’t wait for something to go wrong" really doesn't sound all that friendly and hoping to me

 

 

Something always goes wrong, people bitch about anything, read the forums here much? My point being, he wont be able to handle it in a professional manner.

 

We have seen this before.

 

 

i bet he will handle it just fine

Not according to his current forum posts on his own forums, and his response in this interview. From what i read, he can’t take criticism, and has about as much professionalism in responding to people as a 14 year old "hardcore" PvPer. You know the ones.

Originally posted by Stradden

Originally posted by Atheki

Thanks for the interview. It was fun to read.

 

But Stradden, saying that mmorpg.com is very interested in Darkfall....?  

Since when? A few weeks maybe...

Where were you all the years the trolls and haters roamed freely in this forum and your moderates simply refused to do their job even if you asked them for their help? 

Very interested? Sure, if you say so...

 

For a long time, there wazx really nothing to report.

I ddin't say we were secretly pulling for darkfall or that we would pull special strings for them, I said we're very intrerested. Now that there is new information coming out and thing seem to be rolling in terms of the information the media is going to get, we are bringing more of it to you.

And just a point of fact: I don't have anything to do with the moderation here. I run content on the site. The moderators have recieved no new instructions regarding Darkfall or any other game. If you have a problem with our moderation, AS ALWAYS, I would suggest that you contact our community manager at community@mmorpg.com.

LOL, Stradden - I can't remember the last time I saw you have to babysit a thread like this. Now, imagine how much time you will have to spend in the Darkfall forum after the game actually launches!

Some people said that Tasos came off egotistical...  I think it was more like confident.  Most of the questions were very straight forward and deserved the answer they got.  I mean when a 'reporter' says 'alot of people think blah blah, ' its usually a veiled attack, almost forcing a defensive statement.

With how low people's expections are now for MMO launches, we forget how good they can be too.  Anyone ever had a crash in guild wars...  EVER?  Hell, i get DC'ed from GW and i can reconnect and be right where i was standing.  NO other major game does that, let alone MMO.  Hopefully this is the kind of quality they are aiming for, Tasos sure makes it sound like it.  Not just 'able' to handle the launch, not just launch with a minimum of issues.  But thay want to have the stress test/larger beta go just as well.

Tasos makes it sound like they actually understand that A LOT of people's opnions of the game are formed during beta.  A lot of companies don't understand that.  People also feel like they have know better than the creators/publishers on how to market the game.  A lot of people are also idiots.

Assuming what Tasos said is true, they are handling things great.  But Mythic also said Warhammer was ready for launch a month before the game came out. They are only now fixing BASIC ui problems, among 1000 other things they fixed after launch (3-4 months after "it's ready for launch now if we wanted") A lot of people are jaded by game's being touted as the best game since sliced bread (MMO and other)....  when they are worth less than the Burger King games.