Originally posted by superniceguy

Would not look foolish at all. Paying to carry on playing after 50 is more foolish, and it is not just my opinion. Bioware would not be giving out free months to people who had a level 50 character, if people who reached 50 were not quitting. The opinion is widespread.

SOE never gave out this much free time. SWTOR has free weekends, free 7 days, free 7 days for up 25 people from active players, free 30 days to people with level 50 chars, all within the last month.

SWTOR is failing harder than SWG (or even the NGE) ever did!

It is so sad... and funny all at the same time.  Wonder if that clone wars kid game will last longer then SWTOR at this point.

Originally posted by superniceguy

Originally posted by ktanner3

Originally posted by superniceguy

Originally posted by ktanner3

Originally posted by kobie173

Originally posted by Yanshee

 

TOR fanbois can delude themselves all they wish, but they got a far inferior game in every respect than SWG was in its very worse days.

HAHAHA That's pretty funny. SWTOR is FAR superior to any iteration of SWG after 11-15-05, hands down.

This. The NGE was pure garbage. I gave it a go a couple of times but it finally got to the point that it was embaraassing to log in. Seeing a game that you use to enjoy being reduced to a cash grab with few people playing is depressing.

Same thing can be said for SWTOR.

Sure you could say that, but you'd look foolish.

That is just a money grab plain and simple. It is not even a MMO, but a single player game with multiplayer options that you pay a monthly fee for.

Funny as I group far more in this game than I ever have.

I do not know what SWTOR has that makes you want to keep playing it, after hitting 50, there is simply nothing to do

And I never saw what was so great about the NGE, but then again I've never expected everyone else to have the same tastes as me.

 

Would not look foolish at all. Paying to carry on playing after 50 is more foolish, and it is not just my opinion. Bioware would not be giving out free months to people who had a level 50 character, if people who reached 50 were not quitting. The opinion is widespread.

SOE never gave out this much free time. SWTOR has free weekends, free 7 days, free 7 days for up 25 people from active players, free 30 days to people with level 50 chars, all within the last month.

SWTOR is failing harder than SWG (or even the NGE) ever did!

Thanks for the laugh. Get back to me if TOR drops to 100k subs and pulls the plug.

I'm also curious why you always have to bring up TOR when discussing SWG ? Did Bioware come by and crap in your cereal or are you incapable of discussing one without the other?

Originally posted by ktanner3

Originally posted by superniceguy

Originally posted by ktanner3

Originally posted by superniceguy

Originally posted by ktanner3

Originally posted by kobie173

Originally posted by Yanshee

 

TOR fanbois can delude themselves all they wish, but they got a far inferior game in every respect than SWG was in its very worse days.

HAHAHA That's pretty funny. SWTOR is FAR superior to any iteration of SWG after 11-15-05, hands down.

This. The NGE was pure garbage. I gave it a go a couple of times but it finally got to the point that it was embaraassing to log in. Seeing a game that you use to enjoy being reduced to a cash grab with few people playing is depressing.

Same thing can be said for SWTOR.

Sure you could say that, but you'd look foolish.

That is just a money grab plain and simple. It is not even a MMO, but a single player game with multiplayer options that you pay a monthly fee for.

Funny as I group far more in this game than I ever have.

I do not know what SWTOR has that makes you want to keep playing it, after hitting 50, there is simply nothing to do

And I never saw what was so great about the NGE, but then again I've never expected everyone else to have the same tastes as me.

 

Would not look foolish at all. Paying to carry on playing after 50 is more foolish, and it is not just my opinion. Bioware would not be giving out free months to people who had a level 50 character, if people who reached 50 were not quitting. The opinion is widespread.

SOE never gave out this much free time. SWTOR has free weekends, free 7 days, free 7 days for up 25 people from active players, free 30 days to people with level 50 chars, all within the last month.

SWTOR is failing harder than SWG (or even the NGE) ever did!

Thanks for the laugh. Get back to me if TOR drops to 100k subs and pulls the plug.

I'm also curious why you always have to bring up TOR when discussing SWG ? Did Bioware come by and crap in your cereal or are you incapable of discussing one without the other?

It will not be too long before it is under 100k at the rate of decline, and thanks to Biowares 30 day promotion people will be near the end of the game sooner now.  Subs will start to drop faster after April 22nd. Not many people find the game worth playing after level 50, or find it worthwhile creating loads of alts.

For the sake of the game, they should have granted the 30 days to people who have subbed since day 1, and then people who quit in January, and return in March, like myself, would not qualify for the free 30 days. Also if they did that then people would less likely quit, as would not want to lose out on free 30 days, but now even newcomers will rush to max level to qualify for any other future promotions. This promotion says "Not max level, then you lose out on promotions" Being max level is a game killer and people just quit. So much for people taking things slower eh?

The OP is about SWG > SWTOR, that is why I bring up SWTOR here:

"TOR fanbois can delude themselves all they wish, but they got a far inferior game in every respect than SWG was in its very worse days."

Originally posted by TUX426

Originally posted by hipiap

Originally posted by TUX426

Originally posted by Thunderous

2 guys in SOE's basement playing with flight code...  That about sums up why atmospheric flight was buggy as hell, like every other update to this game.

Exactly! Just like everything else they had released the last 3-4 years. Buggy, beta, cheap...SOE gave up on SWG after Hoth.

So...how's ToR going for ya Mate?

Quite well, thank you for asking! The guild is growing, PvE is challenging, PvP is booming and I never have nearly enough time to do all the things I'd like to do.

Did you hear, they sold 2 MILLION boxes and retained 1.7 MILLION of them. Pretty impressive huh?!

This guy is clearly not playing SWTOR everything he said is false.....

Originally posted by superniceguy

 

The OP is about SWG > SWTOR, that is why I bring up SWTOR here:

"TOR fanbois can delude themselves all they wish, but they got a far inferior game in every respect than SWG was in its very worse days."

Are you blind? This was the OP...

 

I know a lot of people liked the professions pre-NGE but to be honest, I still felt SWG was one of the best MMOs out there even afterwards. I enjoyed the star wars universe and the epic player created towns.

Even servers that were dying (my own server of radiant) managed to keep GCW battles and pvp active everyday up to a few months ago.

I had a lot of fun and I know towards the end they were adding in a lot of content that they had been preparing.

A lot of NGE haters definitely missed out on a great star wars experience. 

 

The OP was about the NGE , not TOR. Take your TOR butthurt  some place else.

 

 

Originally posted by ktanner3

Originally posted by superniceguy

 

Originally posted by ktanner3

Originally posted by superniceguy

Originally posted by ktanner3

Originally posted by superniceguy

Originally posted by ktanner3

Originally posted by kobie173

Originally posted by Yanshee

 

TOR fanbois can delude themselves all they wish, but they got a far inferior game in every respect than SWG was in its very worse days.

HAHAHA That's pretty funny. SWTOR is FAR superior to any iteration of SWG after 11-15-05, hands down.

This. The NGE was pure garbage. I gave it a go a couple of times but it finally got to the point that it was embaraassing to log in. Seeing a game that you use to enjoy being reduced to a cash grab with few people playing is depressing.

Same thing can be said for SWTOR.

Sure you could say that, but you'd look foolish.

That is just a money grab plain and simple. It is not even a MMO, but a single player game with multiplayer options that you pay a monthly fee for.

Funny as I group far more in this game than I ever have.

I do not know what SWTOR has that makes you want to keep playing it, after hitting 50, there is simply nothing to do

And I never saw what was so great about the NGE, but then again I've never expected everyone else to have the same tastes as me.

 

Would not look foolish at all. Paying to carry on playing after 50 is more foolish, and it is not just my opinion. Bioware would not be giving out free months to people who had a level 50 character, if people who reached 50 were not quitting. The opinion is widespread.

SOE never gave out this much free time. SWTOR has free weekends, free 7 days, free 7 days for up 25 people from active players, free 30 days to people with level 50 chars, all within the last month.

SWTOR is failing harder than SWG (or even the NGE) ever did!

Thanks for the laugh. Get back to me if TOR drops to 100k subs and pulls the plug.

I'm also curious why you always have to bring up TOR when discussing SWG ? Did Bioware come by and crap in your cereal or are you incapable of discussing one without the other?

It will not be too long before it is under 100k at the rate of decline, and thanks to Biowares 30 day promotion people will be near the end of the game sooner now.  Subs will start to drop faster after April 22nd. Not many people find the game worth playing after level 50, or find it worthwhile creating loads of alts.

For the sake of the game, they should have granted the 30 days to people who have subbed since day 1, and then people who quit in January, and return in March, like myself, would not qualify for the free 30 days. Also if they did that then people would less likely quit, as would not want to lose out on free 30 days, but now even newcomers will rush to max level to qualify for any other future promotions. This promotion says "Not max level, then you lose out on promotions" Being max level is a game killer and people just quit. So much for people taking things slower eh?

The OP is about SWG > SWTOR, that is why I bring up SWTOR here:

"TOR fanbois can delude themselves all they wish, but they got a far inferior game in every respect than SWG was in its very worse days."

The OP is about SWG > SWTOR, that is why I bring up SWTOR here:

"TOR fanbois can delude themselves all they wish, but they got a far inferior game in every respect than SWG was in its very worse days."

Are you blind? This was the OP...

 

I know a lot of people liked the professions pre-NGE but to be honest, I still felt SWG was one of the best MMOs out there even afterwards. I enjoyed the star wars universe and the epic player created towns.

Even servers that were dying (my own server of radiant) managed to keep GCW battles and pvp active everyday up to a few months ago.

I had a lot of fun and I know towards the end they were adding in a lot of content that they had been preparing.

A lot of NGE haters definitely missed out on a great star wars experience. 

 

The OP was about the NGE , not TOR. Take your TOR butthurt  some place else.

 

 

 

Not the OP of the thread, the OP of the quoted post. If this was a new post, and not quoted from

"TOR fanbois can delude themselves all they wish, but they got a far inferior game in every respect than SWG was in its very worse days."

then you would have a point. My comments are based from  "TOR fanbois can delude themselves all they wish, but they got a far inferior game in every respect than SWG was in its very worse days."

and what follows, not the OP of the thread.

I am not butthurt about TOR. It is blatantly obvious it is failing hard, which you can not accept, which makes you the butthurt one. You have no interest in SWG yet you come in here days later and out of the blue and stir things up. I would not have posted anything if you had not done yesterday. I will get plenty out of SWTOR before it shuts down, even if it is at the end of this year, as there is not much to get out of it.

Originally posted by sinjin

Originally posted by TUX426

Originally posted by hipiap

Originally posted by TUX426

Originally posted by Thunderous

2 guys in SOE's basement playing with flight code...  That about sums up why atmospheric flight was buggy as hell, like every other update to this game.

Exactly! Just like everything else they had released the last 3-4 years. Buggy, beta, cheap...SOE gave up on SWG after Hoth.

So...how's ToR going for ya Mate?

Quite well, thank you for asking! The guild is growing, PvE is challenging, PvP is booming and I never have nearly enough time to do all the things I'd like to do.

Did you hear, they sold 2 MILLION boxes and retained 1.7 MILLION of them. Pretty impressive huh?!

This guy is clearly not playing SWTOR everything he said is false.....

If this is the Tux I think it is...he is a former SW:G Player Senator that (I'll admit) was very rabid in fixing what was screwed up in SW:G...but went too far with expressing it in the wrong way and was finally banned from the Forums...

Ever since that point...Tux has been ballz to the wallz for any of the new games to come out that would be the Big SW:G Killer and then ToR.

Ironic that ToR was the reason SW:G was shut down by LA...and not a lack of Population or SOE primary decision that it just wasn't worth it anymore.

Amusing to me that ToR is dying faster than a snowball on a lit grill.

Originally posted by hipiap

Originally posted by sinjin

Originally posted by TUX426

Originally posted by hipiap

Originally posted by TUX426

Originally posted by Thunderous

2 guys in SOE's basement playing with flight code...  That about sums up why atmospheric flight was buggy as hell, like every other update to this game.

Exactly! Just like everything else they had released the last 3-4 years. Buggy, beta, cheap...SOE gave up on SWG after Hoth.

So...how's ToR going for ya Mate?

Quite well, thank you for asking! The guild is growing, PvE is challenging, PvP is booming and I never have nearly enough time to do all the things I'd like to do.

Did you hear, they sold 2 MILLION boxes and retained 1.7 MILLION of them. Pretty impressive huh?!

This guy is clearly not playing SWTOR everything he said is false.....

If this is the Tux I think it is...he is a former SW:G Player Senator that (I'll admit) was very rabid in fixing what was screwed up in SW:G...but went too far with expressing it in the wrong way and was finally banned from the Forums...

Ever since that point...Tux has been ballz to the wallz for any of the new games to come out that would be the Big SW:G Killer and then ToR.

That has got to be the funniest statement I've ever read on this site. NGE was never a big fish. It was nothing more than a piss ant  in a big pond. It was a shadow of what SWG was. That's why most of us refuse to call the NGE SWG. NGE is all it deserves.

 Ironic that ToR was the reason SW:G was shut down by LA...and not a lack of Population or SOE primary decision that it just wasn't worth it anymore.

Amusing to me that ToR is dying faster than a snowball on a lit grill.

You NGE fanboys are amusing. You are incapably of discussing SWG without taking a swipe at TOR. Heres's a newsflash, TOR isn't going anywhere for a long time. Deal with it. Now stop derailing threads with your butthurt TOR hate.

Originally posted by superniceguy

"TOR fanbois can delude themselves all they wish, but they got a far inferior game in every respect than SWG was in its very worse days."

 

That utterly ridiculous.

SWG was complete and total shit for the last six years. Just garbage. SWTOR is better in all respects except two. Space and crafting. That's it.

Originally posted by hipiap

Amusing to me that ToR is dying faster than a snowball on a lit grill.

Except its not. You anti-TOR liars will say anything to justify your hate. Liar liar liar.

Originally posted by ktanner3

Originally posted by hipiap

Originally posted by sinjin

Originally posted by TUX426

Originally posted by hipiap

Originally posted by TUX426

Originally posted by Thunderous

2 guys in SOE's basement playing with flight code...  That about sums up why atmospheric flight was buggy as hell, like every other update to this game.

Exactly! Just like everything else they had released the last 3-4 years. Buggy, beta, cheap...SOE gave up on SWG after Hoth.

So...how's ToR going for ya Mate?

Quite well, thank you for asking! The guild is growing, PvE is challenging, PvP is booming and I never have nearly enough time to do all the things I'd like to do.

Did you hear, they sold 2 MILLION boxes and retained 1.7 MILLION of them. Pretty impressive huh?!

This guy is clearly not playing SWTOR everything he said is false.....

If this is the Tux I think it is...he is a former SW:G Player Senator that (I'll admit) was very rabid in fixing what was screwed up in SW:G...but went too far with expressing it in the wrong way and was finally banned from the Forums...

Ever since that point...Tux has been ballz to the wallz for any of the new games to come out that would be the Big SW:G Killer and then ToR.

That has got to be the funniest statement I've ever read on this site. NGE was never a big fish. It was nothing more than a piss ant  in a big pond. It was a shadow of what SWG was. That's why most of us refuse to call the NGE SWG. NGE is all it deserves.

 Ironic that ToR was the reason SW:G was shut down by LA...and not a lack of Population or SOE primary decision that it just wasn't worth it anymore.

Amusing to me that ToR is dying faster than a snowball on a lit grill.

 

SWTOR is a shadow of what the NGE was. There are so many features missing in SWTOR that SWG had

SWG had 32 professions, NGE had 9 professions (~or 12 if count the Trader profs individually), SWTOR has 8 professions

SWTOR has dumbed down space and crafting, no beast master (or CH / BE), no player cities / housing, no mission creator tool, no multiplayer vehicles, no atmostpheric flight. The worlds are just as restrictive as the Musty and Kash planets added with the CU and NGE.

If you did not like the NGE, then I do not understand why you like SWTOR.

Originally posted by superniceguy

Originally posted by TUX426

Originally posted by hipiap

Originally posted by TUX426

Originally posted by Thunderous

2 guys in SOE's basement playing with flight code...  That about sums up why atmospheric flight was buggy as hell, like every other update to this game.

Exactly! Just like everything else they had released the last 3-4 years. Buggy, beta, cheap...SOE gave up on SWG after Hoth.

So...how's ToR going for ya Mate?

Quite well, thank you for asking! The guild is growing, PvE is challenging, PvP is booming and I never have nearly enough time to do all the things I'd like to do.

Did you hear, they sold 2 MILLION boxes and retained 1.7 MILLION of them. Pretty impressive huh?!

No, not really. If they sold 3 million and retained 1.7 million then  perhaps, and did not state that the quarterly report was for the quarter ending Dec 31st 2011

More like 1/6 never activated the game. I bought 3 copies, and only activated one (now cancelled), which is part of the 1.7 million, and the other two are part of the 0.3 million. So 33% of my purchase of SWTOR subbed, and 66% has not yet subbed, but still all part of the overall 2 million

Considering the game was supposed to be a sure fire hit, and EA were worried of selling too many copies and said they were going to halt distribution until population died down, which never happened by the way (not enough people bought it and populations are dropping), shops have still be selling the game, and resellers for profit have been unable to sell the game for a profit.

1/6 of people not activating the game and those cancelling does not compute. The figure is also stated to be for the quarter ending Dec 31st. Everybody was subscribed on Dec 31st, as it was a requirement of activating the game. I even tried immediately cancelling the subscription as soon as activating but it failed, as days before sub was up for renewal, it was still active and ready to take payment, then I successfully cancelled subscription, so for the entire month (about 28 days) the account was active when I thought it was inactive. 

The "in a little over one month" is more likely just meaning for the 2milliion sold, not the 1.7 as it contradicts with "Electronic Arts Inc. EA -4.37% today announced preliminary financial results for its third fiscal quarter ended December 31, 2011"

1/6 of people not activating the product yet seems more likely than 1/6 cancelling subscriptions.

With the way the game has been designed, and people are hitting 50 fast, and Bioware not able to keep up with demand, the game does not look to have a bright future. It is only healthy atm, as people are still not 50, but even those who are playing casually are at 30/40 now, and I played LOTRO hard when it first released and did not even hit 10 within the first month.

Link to that 3mil number(just out of curiosity)?  From what i read it was something like 2.2 mil in beta followed by that 1.7 mil in their quarterly.  Can't remember seeing a link to any actual subscription numbers anywhere that didn't include the initial free month at the time of the games release.  Meaning my interpritation is that they had over 2 mil beta testers(i.e. pre orders) and if u consider the number of xmas present then purchases after xmas in sales around half those that tested went on to purchase their pre orders(not saying this is good/bad btw)

I actually preferred the NGE over the super grindy "pre" days. If people think Aion and a few others mmo's are grindy, you should have tried pre-NGE SWG. Pre-NGE was really buggy too.

Originally posted by kobie173

Originally posted by hipiap

Amusing to me that ToR is dying faster than a snowball on a lit grill.

Except its not. You anti-TOR liars will say anything to justify your hate. Liar liar liar.

Except it is. If you are correct, then Bioware/EA are Liars too

Originally posted by Karahandras

 

Link to that 3mil number(just out of curiosity)? 

There is nothing, I did not believe that there was 1.7 million subs following 2 million sales, when you takje into account copies bought but not yet used plus the people who quit, but 1.7 would have been more believable IF they sold 3 million. The 3 million was a made up figure.

Anyway al that is old news, and there has been no numbers released for this month, and if it was good something would have been revealed, just comments on populations dropping and plans for transfers and maybe merges.

Originally posted by superniceguy

Originally posted by kobie173

Originally posted by hipiap

Amusing to me that ToR is dying faster than a snowball on a lit grill.

Except its not. You anti-TOR liars will say anything to justify your hate. Liar liar liar.

Except it is. If you are correct, then Bioware/EA are Liars too

I don't think you read the article well.  If the article is correct, then the subscriptions are not the problem.  It's that people are playing less that they were playing when it launched.  In other words, if you have 100 subs (number is invented) playing 5-8 hours a day during launch, your servers are packed.   If you have 100 subs playing 2-3 hours a day 3 months after launch, the server is much more empty.

This was explained in one of the first lines of the article.  Sub numbers have not changed, but the peak concurent players have declined.  This means that they have the same subs, but they're playing less, so server population problems.  This does not mean that ToR is dying.

That said, I don't believe that the sub numbers have not declined.  But they  haven't declined to the degree that the trolls on this site will say.

-Edit-

This is the quote to which I was referring:

"One of the problems we’re running into right now is kind of a classic MMO problem, which is that our overall population of players has not changed, but our peak concurrent users has changed,"

Originally posted by leojreimroc

Originally posted by superniceguy

Originally posted by kobie173

Originally posted by hipiap

Amusing to me that ToR is dying faster than a snowball on a lit grill.

Except its not. You anti-TOR liars will say anything to justify your hate. Liar liar liar.

Except it is. If you are correct, then Bioware/EA are Liars too

I don't think you read the article well.  If the article is correct, then the subscriptions are not the problem.  It's that people are playing less that they were playing when it launched.  In other words, if you have 100 subs (number is invented) playing 5-8 hours a day during launch, your servers are packed.   If you have 100 subs playing 2-3 hours a day 3 months after launch, the server is much more empty.

This was explained in one of the first lines of the article.  Sub numbers have not changed, but the peak concurent players have declined.  This means that they have the same subs, but they're playing less, so server population problems.  This does not mean that ToR is dying.

That said, I don't believe that the sub numbers have not declined.  But they  haven't declined to the degree that the trolls on this site will say.

 

-Edit-

This is the quote to which I was referring:

"One of the problems we’re running into right now is kind of a classic MMO problem, which is that our overall population of players has not changed, but our peak concurrent users has changed,"

I read it alright, but it is said in a way to make the game seem as though it is not dying. Why would loads of people keep a subscription up and not play?

It is the fact they say that the overall population has not changed, and even you youself do not believe that. EA/Bioware are just full of it.

Originally posted by superniceguy

Originally posted by Karahandras

 

Link to that 3mil number(just out of curiosity)? 

There is nothing, I did not believe that there was 1.7 million subs following 2 million sales, when you takje into account copies bought but not yet used plus the people who quit, but 1.7 would have been more believable IF they sold 3 million. The 3 million was a made up figure.

Anyway al that is old news, and there has been no numbers released for this month, and if it was good something would have been revealed, just comments on populations dropping and plans for transfers and maybe merges.

Thanks for the clarification.  Personally I have a sneaking feeling that the 1.7mil was the number of copies sold and that was pretty much it so far.

 

-Edit-

This is the quote to which I was referring:

"One of the problems we’re running into right now is kind of a classic MMO problem, which is that our overall population of players has not changed, but our peak concurrent users has changed,"

I read it alright, but it is said in a way to make the game seem as though it is not dying. Why would loads of people keep a subscription up and not play?

It is the fact they say that the overall population has not changed, and even you youself do not believe that. EA/Bioware are just full of it.

because they bought a 3,6 month sub at the start and ran out of game after a week or two and no longer log in.  I don't think it's a huge coincidence that they started giving away free time after 4 months(1 free month + a 3 month offer)