Jumpgate Evolution

Originally posted by daemon

EVE as a benchmark? no thanks. EVE with its 150k subscribers shouldnt be a benchmark for anything.

EVE is boring me the hell out, and anything besides its economy isnt great.

and hell i dont even like how the economy turns out cause you either need to not have a life or buy your in-game money to get anywhere serious with that game.

sure it looks pretty but lets not go off-topic.

In a fast paced space MMO, you need to make your own PVP rules.

Get in open beta see how they work and adjust. its the best way.

You get your 150k sub numbers where ? I'm assuming you base a success of a game off of subs lol. I mean  250k subs ( which is how many EvE has ) is a failure in your eyes isn't it?   Why does EVE bore you because it isn't instant gratification like WoW? For its economy not being that great its odd that its in game economy received its own article over at Forbes.com.

I understand thou you want a "face paced " which in translation to you means i want a game where i can just log on an pewpew = teh win with no effort . Yeah players like you is what dumbed down the whole MMORPG genre.

Makes me sick to see what has happen to the genre these days.

Originally posted by strykr619

Originally posted by daemon

EVE as a benchmark? no thanks. EVE with its 150k subscribers shouldnt be a benchmark for anything.

EVE is boring me the hell out, and anything besides its economy isnt great.

and hell i dont even like how the economy turns out cause you either need to not have a life or buy your in-game money to get anywhere serious with that game.

sure it looks pretty but lets not go off-topic.

In a fast paced space MMO, you need to make your own PVP rules.

Get in open beta see how they work and adjust. its the best way.

 

You get your 150k sub numbers where ? I'm assuming you base a success of a game off of subs lol. I mean  250k subs ( which is how many EvE has ) is a failure in your eyes isn't it?   Why does EVE bore you because it isn't instant gratification like WoW? For its economy not being that great its odd that its in game economy received its own article over at Forbes.com.

I understand thou you want a "face paced " which in translation to you means i want a game where i can just log on an pewpew = teh win with no effort . Yeah players like you is what dumbed down the whole MMORPG genre.

Makes me sick to see what has happen to the genre these days.

 

250k is money maker .. but pretty much a niche game compared to WOW, LOTR ....

And what is wrong with getting some fast quick quality entertainment? If you are sick of the market trend (which lots of us LOVE .. no more committing hours to just have some fun), you are welcomed to LEAVE the genre.

Personally, I think the market is going exactly where I want it to go .. more casual friendly. More option for PvP (including battle ground, and option of just PvE). Choices are GOOD.

WoW was developed for an expected audience of 250K.

I don't think that's currently a big enough audience however to attract any further investment.

Eve has only ever had the one retail release. It's economy may have had an article written about it in  Forbes magasine, but it's developers and publishers never will.

I play EVE and I love it. EVE is a PVP game that is hard. PVP has penalties which range from being blown up by NPC police to being killed by others and death has serious concequences. EVE is also skill based not level based. I have seen new players get into the cheapest of ships with useless equipment and totally pwn wealthy and much higher 'level' players. EVE is boring because there's strategy involved. When you are in a group with 700 others listening to orders are very important and the conquest and destruction of another entities fleet and base of operations is very rewarding.

EVE is the only game I have seen with a real economy. The developers define what can be found where and what can be turned into what but the players are the ones who make them, find them, gather them, create them and then destroy them keeping the economy going eternally. Then when an item is created it is put up on the market where real competition takes place and where people can make uncountable amounts of money and can lose it all too.

Then there're the professions in EVE. EVE is not a 'oh-look-i-killed-a-bear-i-am-going-to-skin-it-for-nothing' because the professions in EVE have the potential to really pay off. If all the miners in EVE stopped mining or quit the game the game for a week the game would grind to a standstill and die simply because they are the foundation of the game. What would happen if the miners in WoW stopped mining for a week? Crafting is meaningless in WOW and one can play WOW without ever crafting anything or buying anything from the AH. That is IMPOSSIBLE in EVE.

I have mentioned PVP already but I will mention it again. The PVP in EVE can be tedious. It is boring, it is hard and it is tiring. The stress one experiences in EVE is immense. You work for six months for that one thing you want, then lose it the first day you buy it. It creates hatred, anger, rage, frustration and it causes people to enact revenge on those who have wronged them and that's what keeps EVE going. Not everyone likes being in a group with 500 others and sit somewhere and do nothing for four hours, some fly around space and kill people indiscriminately and piracy is rife. Then there's stealing from others. You see someone doing a mission (quest) or mining you can steal their items to get them to attack you. I have done this many times and it is great fun, whether I win or lose.

EVE is very much PVE orientated. If a player wants to achieve something they end up PVE-ing 90% of their time which is boring. Some people hate it, others love it. Some play EVE as  a PVP game, others as a PVE game. Without PVE-ers EVE would not exist. Without PVPers EVE would be no fun.

The devs and gm's in EVE listen to the players and take their concerns and oppinions into account. Several times now CCP have tried to balance the game by implementing changes the community have demanded because of imbalances in classes. For example a few modules overpower a few ships too much and ruin the fun of the majority of the players. They changed it once and now they will change it again. Whether that will be of any help we will see but they try.

When was the last time Blizzard fixed the imbalances? People have been saying rogues are overpowered because they can stun and keep players stunned. They evade traps, dots and everything else when they cloak. People have been spamming every single forum I see with their demands for Blizzard to fix rogues for years and what has Blizzard done about it? Nothing. I play a warlock, a priest and a warrior in WOW and the PVP is pathetic, disgraceful and stupid. There is no logic to it at all and it doesn't make sense. I still haven't come across a single person who can explain to me why rogues are the only class that can cloak and dots simply stop when they don't stop on cloaked druids.

My family and I love PVP and we don't PVP in WOW which makes WOW pointless. There are people who just want to PVE in a carefree world but I don't and it bores me to death so I play EVE to hurt others and because I think it's fun being a real participant in the economy and developement of my clan/guild/corp. You can claim I am not a real participant because all I do is fatten them up but it is nothing to the non-participation in WOW. I am in a clan in WOW and there is a small group who do things together and leave the rest out. I don't want to go with them, don't want to do things with them and avoid them because they never help me and this isn't just them but, I have found, a common factor in WOW because you don't gain anything by helping others. In EVE the least you gain by helping others is money.

Last thing I will touch on is maturity and mentality. I have found the average mentality of WoW players to be pre-pubescant. Everytime I log on everyone is talking about some dumb thing and none of them are able to talk about anything sensible. For example most of the people I have met are only interested in how much money they have, how expensive their watches are, how often they get laid and how often they do this and that. Then they went on to insult women and I asked them to stop, and one of the people there started swearing at me and then went on to block me because I asked him not to behave like that when my wife was on.

While I have no problem with childishness the people in WOW really push the limits of mental ability to an all time low.

EVE is a cruel game, it's evil and it's harsh. I have made and lost a lot of money and I enjoy it. EVE is not for everyone simply because of its harshness but to turn EVE or all games into WOW because the WOW noobs whine that it's not like WOW is something that will kill EVE. I don't care about WOW, I care about EVE and if you honestly can't accept that not everything will be like WOW you'd better kill yourself now because real life (the thing the whiners here probably try their best not to acknowledge) is cruel, evil and harsh. I play and have played several MMO's and am not new to the genre. EVE and WOW are not the only ones as I really loved Knight Online until K2 killed it with their argument with MGame, their unwillingness to do something about the macroing and the corrupt GM's.

Not all games are for everyone and not everyone will enjoy every game. Some love WOW, others hate it. What I hate the most are the little children who want instant gratification because they've never had to work for anything and don't understand the meaning of reward after a days of hard work and thing everything should be their way because they're demanding it. The world isn't WOW so cease the whining.

I am sorry my post is all over the place but I am playing EVE while I type this and I am writing things as they come to my mind.

Meanwhile back at the Jumpgate Evolution forum....

Originally posted by Renko

Meanwhile back at the Jumpgate Evolution forum....

My post was aimed at the "Plz turn everythin in2 WoW PLZ PLZ PLZ!1!!11!" crowd.

Liranan, I would put that post in the rating section on Eve if I would you it's a pretty good summing up.

Personally, I wasn't aware of WoW having any pvp in a real sense. They have the arenas which are stricly small-scale e-sport events and the BG's are just a race to get max honor. Open world pvp means level 70's ganking 30's at Nessingway's, does that count?

PvP to me needs to be on a bigger scale than WoW has so no thanks to Blizzards pvp.

The only thing I would take from WoW pvp is it's accessibility and lack of death penalty. Any pvp heavy game needs to recognise that people are going to be dieing alot and not be overly penal. There are plenty of games out there that have their formulas wrong and crusify people for dieing, let people go to them if they want that and Jumpgate can be a breath of fresh air.

Originally posted by Garfunkel

Liranan, I would put that post in the rating section on Eve if I would you it's a pretty good summing up.

Personally, I wasn't aware of WoW having any pvp in a real sense. They have the arenas which are stricly small-scale e-sport events and the BG's are just a race to get max honor. Open world pvp means level 70's ganking 30's at Nessingway's, does that count?

PvP to me needs to be on a bigger scale than WoW has so no thanks to Blizzards pvp.

The only thing I would take from WoW pvp is it's accessibility and lack of death penalty. Any pvp heavy game needs to recognise that people are going to be dieing alot and not be overly penal. There are plenty of games out there that have their formulas wrong and crusify people for dieing, let people go to them if they want that and Jumpgate can be a breath of fresh air.

It is the lack of pena