Star Wars Galaxies

Originally posted by hipiap

For the readers; Paragraph 2 from the EULA of SW:G  :

 

2. To play the Game, you must: (i) purchase the Software (as defined below in Paragraph 7) for Star Wars Galaxies: An Empire Divided and any expansion packs you wish to play ; (ii) have a fully paid Account; (iii) have a valid credit card (or, if we wish to make it available, a paid game card); and (iv) have an Internet connection (which we do not provide or pay for) to access your Account. In addition to any fees described herein, you are responsible for paying all applicable taxes (including those we are not required to collect) and for all hardware, software, service and other costs you incur to access your Account. Neither this Agreement nor your Account entitles you to any subsequent releases of the Game and/or the Software, any expansion packs nor similar ancillary products. You understand that we may update or otherwise enhance the Game and/or the Software at any time and in doing so incur no obligation to furnish such updates to you pursuant to this Agreement. You understand that online games evolve over time and, accordingly, system requirements to play the Game may change over time.

 

 

Put in Bold to be helpful.

SOE's definition of "update or otherwise enhance":

delete all your progress, delete your mastered professions, render you unable to interact with your pets, make all your crafted items useless, delete the professions that received new items and pets in the expansion you just paid for yesterday, render movement, chat and combat broken all at the same time.

Update and enhance: I don't think these words mean what you think they mean SOE.

By the way, where's the part of the EULA that says it's not valid in some jurisdictions?  You know, the ones that frown on taking money for one thing and then delivering something else.

Originally posted by hipiap

For the readers; Paragraph 2 from the EULA of SW:G  :

 

2. To play the Game, you must: (i) purchase the Software (as defined below in Paragraph 7) for Star Wars Galaxies: An Empire Divided and any expansion packs you wish to play ; (ii) have a fully paid Account; (iii) have a valid credit card (or, if we wish to make it available, a paid game card); and (iv) have an Internet connection (which we do not provide or pay for) to access your Account. In addition to any fees described herein, you are responsible for paying all applicable taxes (including those we are not required to collect) and for all hardware, software, service and other costs you incur to access your Account. Neither this Agreement nor your Account entitles you to any subsequent releases of the Game and/or the Software, any expansion packs nor similar ancillary products. You understand that we may update or otherwise enhance the Game and/or the Software at any time and in doing so incur no obligation to furnish such updates to you pursuant to this Agreement. You understand that online games evolve over time and, accordingly, system requirements to play the Game may change over time.

 

 

Put in Bold to be helpful.

FWIW the part you're bolding has nothing to do with the point you're trying to make.

That part of the EULA simply states that SOE is under no legal obligation to provide a paying customer with any updates or enhancements they make - regardless of the fact that the customer is already paying for the service.  For instance - should they produce an enhanced graphical engine they have no obligation to provide that upgrade for free, they are within their rights to charge for it.

The second element of the para allows for such graphical upgrades (again as an example) and does not warrant that they will honour the current system requirements throughout the lifetime of the product.

Nothing in that para provides for the scope of change that the CU / NGE actually visited on their players.  It was unprecedented at the time and (given the success of the move) will likely not be repeated within the genre at any time in the foreseeable future.

Sorta forgot about this game. Just got done watching Episode VI.

/signed

Have been a (somewhat) happy customer of Eve for the last 2.5 years. Would have been SWG if it wasnt for the NGE.

Hello, my name is 'Sani and I am a Smuggler.  And that pretty much explains why I am posting in this thread.

I am done with SOE products for good. I have taken my money to CCP, Turbine, and elsewhere. I will never log in to the mier of SWG. Period.  I would rather drive my A4 into the ocean than subscribe to SWG. The way SOE treats their fanbase is wrong. They way items gets nerfed is lame. The NGE and the engine of SWG is still broken. Combat is still broken. Targeting is still broken. Quests are still broken. Collision is still boken. SWG is still broken. All that is left are mostly hicks, racists,  meth heads, drunks, and mental insurance cases with a very small number of decent human beings left.

I am a vet and I refuse to give you my money SOE. And I had 5 accounts going at once back in the day. 2 years of 1800.00 gone. Never to recover. You have also lost 3,000,000 a month since the NGE. Way to go Lucas Arts and SOE. 

And now I move on as a consumer, a journalist., word of mouth, and an ex star wars fan. My money goes elsewhere.  

Originally posted by Lateris

I am done with SOE products for good. I have taken my money to CCP, Turbine, and elsewhere. I will never log in to the mier of SWG. Period.  I would rather drive my A4 into the ocean than subscribe to SWG. The way SOE treats their fanbase is wrong. They way items gets nerfed is lame. The NGE and the engine of SWG is still broken. Combat is still broken. Targeting is still broken. Quests are still broken. Collision is still boken. SWG is still broken. All that is left are mostly hicks, racists,  meth heads, drunks, and mental insurance cases with a very small number of decent human beings left.

I am a vet and I refuse to give you my money SOE. And I had 5 accounts going at once back in the day. 2 years of 1800.00 gone. Never to recover. You have also lost 3,000,000 a month since the NGE. Way to go Lucas Arts and SOE. 

 

And now I move on as a consumer, a journalist., word of mouth, and an ex star wars fan. My money goes elsewhere.  

 Lost Love 

     Still, after all this time, when I think of SWG's NGE I get a pain in my chest.  I don't think this pain will ever go away.  Seriously, it's a deep feeling of lose and betrayal, one that goes deep and cunsumes my thoughts with sorrow and remorse.  Many people would just roll thier eyes and say "whatever", but that's only becuase they didn't share what myself, and many others shared. 

LOVE for the game.

     I wonder if a lawyer could force them to bring back Pre-NGE on the grounds of mental and emotional anquish. The EULA does say that the owning parties  have the right to change the game as they see fit, however: to what extent?

     Please SOE bring back some servers for the Vets (Pre-Nge Players).  I'll even deal with the bugs, minimum support, increase monthly costs, whatever it takes to make this pain go away, I can't stand it anymore.