All Posts by singsofdeath

Originally posted by javac

Originally posted by TenSpotting

Originally posted by xzyax

I think you are off-target on the phrase I high-lighted above.  I'd expect at least as many European players as those from the U.S.  It wouldn't surprise me if the European player-base for this game was much larger than the U.S.

From Alexa:

Darkfallonline.com users come from these countries:

United States 53.6%

Canada 8.5%

United Kingdom 4.6%

Germany  4.6%

Australia 4.2%

This product (if it expects to succeed) will have to compete and prevail or at least hold it's own in the United States against games like WoW and War and all others.

 

Link?

 

hmm, mostly English-speaking countries on an English-only forum site. Who'd have guessed that?

Most of Europe and Asia don't speak English, and are therefore hugely under-represented.

 

Europe and Asia are far more important markets than the US.

While I'm pretty sure the numbers are inaccurate, I'd like to say that I highly doubt the highlighted statement. As a European myself I know for a fact that English is basically the second language of everyone and even moreso in the younger generation. To say that most of Europeans don't speak english is a big generalization and a wrong one at that (I'm not sure how the numbers are in Asia, so I won#t comment on that).

While certainly people will feel more comfortable using their own language, there's no reason to think they can't read/write/speak English.

Originally posted by efefia

Current NGE players seem to have formulated the defence that goes "it's an rpg with multiplayer elements"

Gave me a giggle, afterall if that was the style of game they were making, why would they employ a whole new studio in Austin, fill it with mmo devs (pre-cu and UO) and have someone like Gordon Walton running the show (a guy that has worked exclusively on mmo's for 10+ years).... when they've already got 2 of the best "rpg with multiplayer mmo elements" developed in their Edmonton studio.

Nope, if it's coming out of Austin, it's a fully fledged mmo, but lol at the comical ali style rebute.

Yeah....I heard that defence and I had to laugh about it. Because of some obscure wording in a blog on EA's Presidents supposed "slip", they begin to believe that the game everyone talks about will be KOTOR 3 with a multiplayer mode tacked on (like NWN for instance). And while that wouldn't be a bad idea to begin with, it's really funny to see them think a studio opened exactly for the purpose of creating an MMO will come out with a game with just a "Multiplayer-Option".

Originally posted by Abrahmm

Originally posted by nogardnaz

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

 

I’m not sure when gamers decided that "There can be only one" despite the fact that it’s completely untrue.

 

Also, where did all the armchair developers come from that can make better games I wonder?

What ever happened to this thing called a “Discussion”?

That, and yes, everyone has forgotten that people make games.

 

 

Really, the reason people make such negative posts is because you guys are selfish asshats. All you care about is that there's a game for you, while all the people that want depth and challenge in a game are left with nothing but EVE. If you don't like EVE (for whatever personal reason), but you want depth, immersion and challenge...you're shit out of luck.

People want games like WAR to fail, because it's just another game based on the same philosophies as WoW: simple, easy, accessible to everyone.

If people had more options, they wouldn't care about your stupid shallow game where you pretend you're good at "PvP" and claim "innovation" for over glorified grinds like PQ's.

 

Dude... QFT... Couldn't have said it better myself.

True. And all the elitist super-gamers who know better than anyone else what a good game is and who are better gamers because they like other games than the majority of people could play in their own little game and everybody would be happy. Ahhh...what a lovely dream.

Originally posted by Xiaoki

Originally posted by singsofdeath

Seriously. If you want outsiders that aim to break the mold...go look at Aventurine or the guys behind Earthrise, maybe Mortal Online.

 

Darkfall is too small a project to make any meaningful impact on the MMO genre. And thats taking into consideration that it actually delivers what it promised(whole lot of that not happening lately).

Earthrise and Mortal look like MMOs that will have audiences but nothing that shift publisher focus. They don't have anything other than concept backing them. They have good ideas but not much else at this point.

An MMO by Bioware will actually get people to notice it. Casual players, publishers and other developers will actually care what Bioware does within the MMO genre. No one cares what Adventurine will or wont do.

Mythic said the MMO genre rests on the success or failure of Warhammer Online and they were wrong. The fate of the genre wont be decided by Bioware either but Bioware will have a major impact on it.

What I was trying to say is...BioWare won't (probably) make a game that breaks the mold too much. I'm sure they will add their own specialty to it. But many people seem to think that only a Sanbox-like game can be truely "Next Gen" by this point.

BioWare won't make that kind of game. They have already said they won#t be making a "World-Simulator". Their focus is on storytelling. That's what they are good at. And that is always what I expect of their MMO.

Originally posted by BioNut

Originally posted by Tordak

 Listen, I'm all pins and needles until the official reveal but the 'fate of MMO's is upto Bioware'?  

 Umm, that's one hefty responsibilty to put on their shoulders.   Let's leave it at the fate of SW as a marketable Ip in MMO land. 

 

Do you see any other company poised to get us out of this WoW rut? I don't. All of the established companies just want their $$$ to hell with inovation. That is why BioWare is important. They are outsiders, just like blizzard was.

Seriously. If you want outsiders that aim to break the mold...go look at Aventurine or the guys behind Earthrise, maybe Mortal Online.

Originally posted by Tordak

 Listen, I'm all pins and needles until the official reveal but the 'fate of MMO's is upto Bioware'?  

 Umm, that's one hefty responsibilty to put on their shoulders.   Let's leave it at the fate of SW as a marketable Ip in MMO land.

This kind of thought (the OP I mean) is most likely one of the reasons they've kept such a tight lid on this project for so long. They'll have ravenous fans with demands on how the game is supposed to be on their hands the moment they announce it...heck they already have that now.

Here goes the hype-machine?

Seriously though. I just hope BioWare lives up to their history and does what they do best. If they focus on that, I think they have the potential to create an MMO that will be enjoyable to play and experience.

Originally posted by Wharmaster

Originally posted by peaceandlove

Originally posted by EbenEmael

Originally posted by peaceandlove

Originally posted by EbenEmael

Originally posted by peaceandlove

Originally posted by EbenEmael

Originally posted by peaceandlove

I'm not even going to follow this game. It will be a linear and level-based theme park.

If you expect more than that, then you are fooling yourself.

No one other than the developers know what the game will be like. Your statement is a bit premature.

 

We'll see. Hope it turns out to be what you want in a game. I'll pass though, not my style.

I just find it funny that the game has not been officially announced and no specs released yet some people have already condemned it.

I'll "officially" condemn it when it is "officially" announced. Fair?

Anyways, I already put too much time into this topic. Sandbox or GTFO! lol
 

No it is not fair. Since not even the subject matter of the game has been officially announced the only thing that you can base your decision not to play it on is rumor. Very short sighted.

 

I tell you what, and I'm serious. If they develope a game that is a sandbox, i.g. EvE, Pre-CU. I'll buy you your copy. Seriously, e-mail me because I'll forget and I will take care of it.

Sadly, a KOTOR mmo would NOT be a sandbox. We have to look to pre-cu SWG for that.

It has already been stated that this project would be a story-driven experience. Expect lots of well-written quests, with a "main quest" that doesn't have you saving the galaxy, but doing something significant regardless.

They have already mentioned that a sandbox game would be detrimental to what they want to achieve.

So...although I too am a fan of sand-box style games, we will not see that in a KOTOR game. Expect instead...KOTOR...with other people.

Just as good, in it's own way.

That is what I really hope for. I've yet to see really good storytelling in an MMO and I hope BioWare can provide that. Quests that actually make me want to read through them. A story that has meaning without being too cliché. And above all, a chance to have your actions and choices have an impact on the storyline and your character!

Originally posted by tillamook

Originally posted by trancejeremy

Heh, it would be pretty funny if it turned out to be a Willow MMORPG.

 

Because that picture I linked has Willow all over it, and Willow has been "the industries worst kept secret" as well as "highly anticipated" 

True...Willow is not very likely. Now Indiana Jones on the other hand....

PS: J/K ^^

Originally posted by EbenEmael

Originally posted by peaceandlove

I'm not even going to follow this game. It will be a linear and level-based theme park.

If you expect more than that, then you are fooling yourself.

No one other than the developers know what the game will be like. Your statement is a bit premature.

While this is true, it is actually pretty easy to hazard sme guesses at what kind of game this will be. BioWare has certain strong points, and they would be fools not to follow up on those. They are excellent story-tellers and they have already told the media that they are not looking to make a world-simulator.

*shrugs* Some people won't like that. For me, it'll be interesting to follow and see if they can manage to actually keep their excellent level of storytelling in an MMO. That coupled with player-choices that affect the story and the character itself is what I am looking forward to.

Originally posted by tillamook

Originally posted by darquenblade

Originally posted by tillamook

They need to get their act together or start a new community seperate from the current one since most of those veterans are not MMO fans.

 

You make it sound like their existing fanbase won't be interested in the MMO once details emerge. I think most BioWare fans will, though (minus the handful of diehards, of course). In fact, I'd say this game will have more in common with their previous games than it will any existing MMOs.

 

I'm just going on what I see across various game sites and there own. Some of the KOTOR fans are not happy about it being an MMO, though I assume some will be converts once they try it.

I think most BioWare fans are/would be angry if the MMO would be made -INSTEAD- of a part three to wrap up the story that has been told in the KOTOR games. The question remains however if that will be the case. Nobody knows for certain after all. There could be a singleplayer KOTOR as well as an MMO set in the Old Republic timeframe.

Bottom line, I suppose we'll have to wait till the 21st. One should hope a lot of answers will be given then.

Originally posted by Morrdread

 

I did not attack you, i simply pointed out that your a hypocrit. you say your on neither side but constantly telling everyone "ohhh ill believe it when i see it"  thus putting no trust in the developers at all or so it seems. that would put you on the haters side of the wall.

And thus you further strengthen my point. No, I choose not to believe everything the developers tell me on their word alone. That does not mean I think there is no game. It doesn't mean I think the developers are lazy, incompetent idiots or that they only try to scam people. It also doesn't mean I hate the game.

It merely means that I will believe -everything- only when I have seen it. For you to consider me a hater just because I do not put absolute faith in the developers just shows your black-and-white attitude towards the people who are interested in this game. Love it or Hate it...there is no in-between, eh?

Originally posted by Morrdread

 

 

this just further points out your ignorence. 5 year old outdated quotes about an outdated version of the game itself and nothing but vauge statements, hold just as much merit and are just as official as this years statements about an entirely differnt darkfall all togather?

...So the game they started developing has nothing to do with the game that is coming out this year. Interesting.

How is it you do not understand that everything the devs have ever said in the earlier years was said very carefully to keep as vauge as possible with no promises attatched? You dont seem like your stupid, so im sure if youve read them yourself you could point out exactly how undescriptive and uninformative everything they have said was. THEY PROMISED NOTHING AND LIED ABOUT NOTHING! They had clan beta signups for an entirely differnt darkfall then todays.  They scraped that build and started over. how is that so hard to grasp? This is the darkfall they wanted from the start, the darkfall that technology wouldnt let exist at the time of thier old project.

OK. I'll just ignore every quote from developers up till this year henceforth. Everything that's not from this year is, as of now, outdated information and cannot be trusted and has nothing to do with the game that will be released this year.

I honestly doubt you have any hopes of this game being successful considering you have never said 1 positive thing about it. you speak like your of neutrallity and of both extreams being wrong while the entire time you seem to always be on one side. your hypocracy is very clear.

I don't need to point out positive things nearly as much. The supporters of this game do a good job of praising the game, sometimes they even go overboard. But there's few people who constructively point out possible problems of the game. Why? Because everytime someone does that, you are all over them with attacks on said people's intentions. Just like you are doing now. Calling me a hypocrite? Why is it you people have to get insulting whenever you feel someone doesn't share your opinion?

And by the way, I am always on one side. That's -my- side and I have always made it quite clear what side that is. It is neither the fanbois side, nor the haters side. I have my hopes for this game, I have explained why I hope it to be a success and I have pointed out where I see possible problems with it. If you feel like you need to attack me for that, go on, I don't mind, but it just shows that you only have one view of the game for yourself and will not accept anything else, not even the remotest bit of discussion. Anyone who does not share your full enthusiasm of the game is a hypocrite and a hater, mh?

Originally posted by altairzq

Guess they are testing the hardware on a wider range of selected players' computers, wider than the computers being used during the Play test.

Yes, but how? In my understanding, Hardware-Testing is basically running the game and doing specific tasks designed to stress the hardware in certain areas to get feedback from the testers on performance and the like (in form of reports and logs), while play-testing is testing game-mechanics and the like. However, both are done "In-Game" as in, the game-client is actually running and you "play" for lack of a better word.

However from quotes and statements it seems like the external "hardware-Testers" do not get to -play- the game yet. So I'm confused. Do they just have a program that determines their system and how well it theoretically would run DF? Or do they actually have the client and run around in the world? Or what?

Originally posted by flakmonky

Originally posted by singsofdeath

The only way we will find out is when the game releases and we can test it. No matter how recent your quotes, no matter how much you try to make quotes from the past be "unimportant", that is a fact. Supposedly we have a beta soon and a release this year. I'll keep DF to that promise and wait for the game to pass final judgement. But to put down every possible flaw or problem or discrepancy as irrelevant is just plain silly, just as silly as to point and yell Vaporware anytime a thread about DF pops up.

 

 

Note: I have no substantial problem with the rest of your post, hence the truncation.

 

According to this update, the first phase of the beta test has already begun. It is not "supposedly we have a beta soon." It is: allegedly beta has begun. If you had said this then your post would be unassailable.

My apologies. You are right, I should have said that we are soon to have an "Open" Beta and/or that we already are in a Beta. My mistake.

Incidentally, no one has ever bothered to answer my question earlier i the thread. What exactly is (in this case) the difference between the Hardware-Tests and the Play-testing (which is currently still only being handled by Internal professionals)?

Originally posted by Morrdread

@signs

Those are not random delevoper quotes, they are official recent dev quotes with signed publishers and events like whats going on in athens greece on the 16th of this month to back up the statements.

  You are all ignorent and just think of anything possible to be skepticle. in fact you guys go through alot of trouble to try and find reasons to be skeptical like bring up quotes from an entirely differnt game in the making from 2003. The game has been pushed back numerous times to modernize the graphics engine and also because new technology has given them access to putting features in the game that would of otherwise been scrapped. if you can put in features origionally intended rather then release a product your not happy with, wouldnt you choose the delay and better product?

 

  Bringing up past quotes that were mostly "we intend to have" or "our goal is to reach" have little bearing on OFFICIAL news.  the majority of past quotes were nothing but vauge statements that were blown up by others imaginations and hopes and not official features or promises. the only ones lying are the haters to themselves.

 

 

The quotes that were brought up earlier are just as "official" as the ones you allude to. Just to make that clear. It's official Aventurine employees speaking about their game. Nothing "unofficial" about them.

Pushing a game back to have a better game is a good thing sometimes, it also depends however on how you do it. And there is no "we aim to" and "we hope" in many of Tasos statements that the game is nearly feature complete and has been for the past 5 years.

If they spent 5 years on polishing the game, superb, excellent and we shall see when it comes out. I have no qualms with DF, I don't hate it, but what I do hate is the obnoxious way the supporters put down any possible bad thing about the game as a) irrelevant or b) unfounded. It is much the same way as the obnoxious haters continue to claim the game is vapor-ware and whatnot, just the other side of the medal.

We are all ignorant? We only look for things to be skeptical? If I weren't this interested in the game, I would not bother to point out worries and possible problems with the game. I would ot bother to read through Tasos interviews and through all the developer quotes. Fact is, some people believe the man, some people don't believe everything. Who's to say who is right hm?

The only way we will find out is when the game releases and we can test it. No matter how recent your quotes, no matter how much you try to make quotes from the past be "unimportant", that is a fact. Supposedly we have a beta soon and a release this year. I'll keep DF to that promise and wait for the game to pass final judgement. But to put down every possible flaw or problem or discrepancy as irrelevant is just plain silly, just as silly as to point and yell Vaporware anytime a thread about DF pops up.

Originally posted by Morrdread

When will anyone realise that us fans will never get through to the haters on these forums? there really is no point to argueing with any of them because even tho we are right and have official quotes from the developers themselves, they dont believe the developers. its pure ignorance at its finest. when any other game goes into closed beta with an NDA and it is not broken, noone doubts the existence of it or doesnt belive them when they officially announce it. its pure hate for DF and nothing else. the next time the haters come into our threads dont even bother argueing with them and go along with it because youll only get frustrated by their blatent hate and ignorence.

 

Yes this game is vaporware and will never come out!! the devs do nothing but lie to all their fans and followers of 6+ years!! nothing they say is EVER true and they are just trying to hype thier game that they do absolutly no advertising for because they dont want it overhyped!!! wait...what?

The "haters" quote the Dev's, too you know. And the skeptics.

For example, how do you explain all the quotes in Theodgrim's post? Ranging from 2003 to 2008? Going by the quotes, the game has been nearly feature-complete for these past 5 years.

Not saying the game won't come out, but you'll have to do a bit better than to just toss random developer quotes at people to convince them by this point. Namely, the game will have to go into Open beta and people will have to play it. Only fail-safe proof there is in this mad world.

Originally posted by downtoearth

Originally posted by Snapps

Originally posted by downtoearth

nda breaker maybe LOL

How can he be an NDA breaker when external beta has not started.

 

yea it has and i really dont know if thas what he was getting at

hardware testing started on september 22nd. which is using the clients and the main servers

I