All Posts by singsofdeath

DOOOOOOOOOM I say, DOOOOOOOOOM!

Seriously, while it may or may not have happened that way, I'm not about to not buy a game I am looking forward to, just because of this incident. As someone earlier stated, if I adhered to that, I'd have to boycott nearly every major company, be it gaming or otherwise.

Apart from that, I have agree with another poster above me. Who is to blame then? The company, sure, they were the ones pressing. But how about the "press" itself, for folding? Why is no one blaming them?

Anyway, I'm not going to cry conspiracy and doom all around because of this. Some may call that ignorant, me, I'm just not going to let my fun be ruined. Because I'm playing games for fun. That's all. If I have fun, good. If not, well, screw that, on to the next.

My my, why all the hate in this thread? Peace people!

Mythic created, with DAOC a game that many still believe to have the best RVR system on the market, regardless of any other MMO released since or before. I personally know many people who will go to Warhammer for that exact reason, because they trust Mythic to do it again, with better graphics, a new setting and a few new added features. I don't think anyone believes Mythic wants to reinvent the genre, and if they are smart, they will use their strengths and make Warhammer another great RVR success, like DAoC was.

As for the copying. Quit that subject already. All MMO's today use elements of another. Earthrise uses elements from EVE, AoC and WAR use elements from WOW, which in turn used elements from all games before that. It's how they implement them and what they do differently that counts.

I hope for everyone waiting on this game (as I know some of my friends are), that the game is as good in what it is supposed to do as they hope it is. It's not the game for me, people have already labelled me a AoC Fanboi and I won't deny that I am looking forward to AoC more, but that doesn't mean I can't wish another game well. *smirk*

I would imagine it would give a whole new meaning to the term: Group-Buff   *cough cough*

And Groups before starting a dungeon:

Leader: "All right, everyone get their buffs!"

Everyone: "All right! Whooot! Bowchikawowow!!"

Community of EVE Online is indeed mature, or more mature than most other MMO's communities. Generally, also very helpful and friendly.

That being said, EVE is a game where you have to have a thick hide. Be on your guard, don't trust anyone. Don't trust people outside your corporation when they offer you to help you with missions, or when they ask for help with something. Scamming, lies, espionage, betrayal etc. those are all part of the game that is EVE and it is encouraged by the Developers.

A result of the huge investments that players make in this game and the fact that you can lose your ship completely, is that people sometimes take the game "too far" in my opinion. Now I'm not saying this is a bad thing per se, but it's what eventually led me to give the game up.

The prime example of what I mean is an incident that happened while I was participating in the Great War (Northern vs. South for those who remember). It revolves around the loss of the Dusk and Dawn Titan, which was enabled due to a spy that had been slipped into a Dusk and Dawn cooperation. Now, that in itself is not really that bad, however, the spy in question was only able to get in the place he needed to be quickly by, establishing himself quickly. To that end, he even visited a RL Meeting of the Cooperation he was infiltrating, having fun and "befriending" the people of the corp to make them trust him enough so that eventually, he could make his move that led to the destruction of the Titan. #

This is an example and of course, there may be other versions of this story out there, but this is what I've been told (and I was part of Dusk and Dawn at the time). As I said, some people might enjoy this level of espionage and intrigue and sabotage, but I personally thought that this was taking it one step too far.

That being said, I reinforce my above statement. The community is a nice one and rather mature, but you need to realize that the game is a lot tougher than many other MMO's out there.

In that spirit: Watch your back.

Originally posted by safwd

 

All right, I admit I look forward to AoC, but what the hell was this about? I was asking a simple question and this is the answer I get? *smirk*

How dare you ask for an example on these boards SingsofDeath. You have been here long enough to know that anyone can say any type of nonsense they want with no backing whatsoever and you must simply eat it like a tasty piece of PIE. To do differently makes you a Fanboi or a Hater depending on who makes the statement.

 

(Actually im sutely trying to derail this discussion into a Pie discussion)

Originally posted by Arcken

Originally posted by singsofdeath

 

Originally posted by Liquidvison

 

Originally posted by PaRoXiTiC

I just finished reading over all the potential MMORPG's for me to get soon. As soon as I saw AoC I didnt even continue looking. This game is unbelievable. I have watched Beta on YouTube and everything and this game BLOWS all the others out of the water. This game will be so big it will be as if WoW never existed. (And yes I was an avid WoW player and loved the game... sometimes anyways.)

The most rediculous game I saw was Warhammer Online.... HOW in the world would that game have hype? Did anyone see the PvP videos... hahahahahah complete joke IMHO.

Finally a game with REAL people and REAL combat. No more fake fantasy BS and no more auto attack bullcrap.

#1 reason I know I will love this game = PvP and PvE is gonna take some SKILLS... The way it looks in the PK videos the person with the better gear doesnt ALWAYS win like in other games. So much skill is gonna be involved here and that is what I LOVE.

#2 reason I know I will lvoe this game = The community is gonna be spectacular. Interaction with each other and hunting and exploring this HUGE world with your in game friends will be a blast.

I am so psyked for this game to come out.

LMFAO you are using Youtube vids to boast and bash two mmo's currently in beta? wow thats sad, your first reason saying it will take skill? lol have you seen the combat? it wont take skill just pressing buttons same as all mmo's and ur 2nd point of the spectacular community? omg can you see into the furture? you know the community is gonna be good and the game isnt out yet? lmao

 

I will sum up you whole post in one word.......FAIL!!!!

O.P.=

Just out of curiosity, because I have seen many people make this point (the "all it takes is button mashing" point). What kind of combat system -does- require skill then? And to toss a bit of your own medicine back at you, how can you tell AoC Combat will just be button-mashing just from watching youtube vids? ;)

 

 

Seriously though, if you could answer my question, I would appreciate it.

Good to see AmazingAvery has a vice president for the AoC fanclub ;)

All right, I admit I look forward to AoC, but what the hell was this about? I was asking a simple question and this is the answer I get? *smirk*

Originally posted by Liquidvison

 

Originally posted by PaRoXiTiC

I just finished reading over all the potential MMORPG's for me to get soon. As soon as I saw AoC I didnt even continue looking. This game is unbelievable. I have watched Beta on YouTube and everything and this game BLOWS all the others out of the water. This game will be so big it will be as if WoW never existed. (And yes I was an avid WoW player and loved the game... sometimes anyways.)

The most rediculous game I saw was Warhammer Online.... HOW in the world would that game have hype? Did anyone see the PvP videos... hahahahahah complete joke IMHO.

Finally a game with REAL people and REAL combat. No more fake fantasy BS and no more auto attack bullcrap.

#1 reason I know I will love this game = PvP and PvE is gonna take some SKILLS... The way it looks in the PK videos the person with the better gear doesnt ALWAYS win like in other games. So much skill is gonna be involved here and that is what I LOVE.

#2 reason I know I will lvoe this game = The community is gonna be spectacular. Interaction with each other and hunting and exploring this HUGE world with your in game friends will be a blast.

I am so psyked for this game to come out.

LMFAO you are using Youtube vids to boast and bash two mmo's currently in beta? wow thats sad, your first reason saying it will take skill? lol have you seen the combat? it wont take skill just pressing buttons same as all mmo's and ur 2nd point of the spectacular community? omg can you see into the furture? you know the community is gonna be good and the game isnt out yet? lmao

 

I will sum up you whole post in one word.......FAIL!!!!

O.P.=

Seriously though, if you could answer my question, I would appreciate it.

Originally posted by Tinybina

 

Originally posted by marmag

 

I agree in Epic term.

 

I allready prepayed for two years subscription.

 

 

Then you don't know Funcom, the game could be the best EVER the first 6 months but its THEIR expansions that will kill this game.

 

Knowing Funcom they will probably have a Space type expansion added to AOC within the first 1 1/2 year... Sorta like what they did to Anarchy Online when they added Shadowlands (EQ1.5) and ran most of their player base away which forced them to make the game free soon after.

 

Anyways in response to the OP, I think the game will be pretty decent, in the begging anyways.  But I would not use the term "Unreal" just yet.  From what I have seen the combat is rather, blah.. But everything else appears to be pretty damn good.

I hope your right about requiring skill though, im so sick of games that  go by what your wearing not what you can do.

A space type expansion in AoC?  Errr....why the heck would you think that?

All right, if you fear they might make some mistakes in expansions, that is a valid concern of yours and obviously, we will have to wait and see how that works but why would FC even consider doing -anything- Space related in AoC???

Originally posted by safwd

After my rant i figured i would post something perhaps a little constructive.

This is why i feel DPs add to a game. I want to feel actual emotion when i am playing a game, i want it to be more then just playing a game, i can play Sims or something if i just want to play a game. I dont think, at least i havent had it happen, that you can get real emotions in a game without some fear. I have figured out that the best times i had in EQ, and to a lesser extent DAOC, was when i was actually a bit afraid of what i was doing. I was a bit scared when i went into Mistymoore the first time, i was a bit scared when i went into SOL A/B the first time, i was a bit scared when i went into GUK the first time, Karnors Castle, Kith Forest, Befallen, etc etc. My heart was actually racing. There was a fear of the unknown in EQ, you just didnt run into a cave in EQ because you didnt know if you were going to die once in there. I had to run through Kael with my Druid so i could get the scroll for the Wakening Lands ring and i was actually scared that my Camo would wear off, the giants didnt like me much. Then when half way through it started blinking i really got scared and had to find a corner somewhere to hide so i could recast it. Actual fear adds something to the game. And you dont have fear if you arent afraid to die.

Once i found out that dying meant nothing in WoW i wasnt scarred of anything. I wasnt worried about going anywhere. If i saw a cave a ran into it, if i died then i knew not to go in there again for a few levels but that was pretty much it. Death was simply a gage on how your tactics worked. Hmm, i died, i guess i will try it with this tactic this time.

I dont know if people still do this in WoW but when i was playing death was a form of faster travel. I was getting directions to somewhere and the guy actually said i should run into the zone until i get killed, i will then pop up at a certain graveyard which is closer to the other side of the zone then what i would make running. There were most likely three of these death jumps in my trip and that was perfectly exceptable. I chose not to make the trip. Death should never be a convienence.

Pain of death gives you a respect for a game. True when you die due to computer problems or someone elses stupidity that sucks but come on, this is a game. All the death will do is make you play the game a bit longer. I tend not to play games that i dont like (at least for long) so having to play it a bit longer really isnt going to bother me much. If it bothers you too much then you probably dont enjoy the game, you arent in it to play, you are in it to finish.

But im not trying to sell anyone on harsh DPs. You dont like them that is fine, there are plenty of games for you to chose from. What i dont like is that anytime a game goes into development that seems to cater to those that like DPs the forum gets bombarded with people saying who DPs suck and no body likes them, etc etc. And sadly the Devs usually fold to this. Vanguard did it, it looks like Conan is going to do it. There can be different games that cater to different people on the market, they all dont have to have WoWs DP, they all dont have to have quest lines where you follow the bouncing question mark from 1-50. I/We are not trying to get Blizzard to make a harsh DP in WoW, we would just like it if a game comes out saying that they they are going to have DPs and what many call Timesinks you let them because there is an audience for it.

The point was, at least to my understanding, to discuss -why- people like Harsh DP's and why others don't like them. Statements were made and flames were the result. I honestly can't be bothered to go through the entire thread to find all the bashing that was going back and forth, but fact remains, that people get attacked for their view on how they enjoy a game and why they enjoy it that way. Plus, the attitude of many people believing their playstyle to be -BETTER- than that of others (and please note, I am not pointing fingers at any one group or person here).

Regarding AoC, as far as I understand, they never said what kind of DP's they had in mind, they officially stated however, that they are still debating this and will eventually release info on it. So it makes no sense to complain that Dev's are folding to this, since no official announcement was made yet. You can still hope for harsh DP's and those who don't like them can hope for none, or light ones.

I myself will sit back and wait till an announcement is made and eventually play the game. With or without harsh DP's and I will have fun in both possible versions. Cheers!

Here is a link to the Forum-Post on the Official AoC Boards, listing all retailers available for Pre-orders, including Limited and Normal Editions, plus information on what kind of Mount you get as a Bonus if you pre-order.

forums.ageofconan.com/showthread.php

Hope that helps. Cheers.

Originally posted by r1m1k1

So basically it's the same thing as the PC except it will be played on a TV. Still might be worth it since my comp. probably doesn't fit the specs.

No no...you will be able to use the Console's controller. The keyboard is just for added functionality and chatting I would think. Pretty sure it will work this way, but of course I can't say it's fact. Just me speculating on what I experienced in another Console/PC Cross-Platform MMO.

I can only speak from what I know of FFXI (which was released for PS2 and PC) and in that game, at least the people I played with who were playing on a PS2 said that they got themselves a Keyboard for the PS2 and even a mouse. So they could control their chracter using Gamepads but could otherwise manage the game more or less exactly like on PC, chatting and everything. I'm not sure if this is the way AoC will go, but it would make sense.

Hope that helps.

Originally posted by Kyleran

 

Originally posted by singsofdeath

The only -realistic- and really -harsh- DP is Perma-death. That's right. You die, your character is gone. THAT's realistic. That's HARSH. Anyone who tells me XP loss on death is more realistic is just not making much sense. Losing equipment on death? Not any more realistic than just waking up a few minutes later without anything having happened at all.

 

So really, all of you elitists who seem to think that enjoying time-sinks (read harsh-DP's) in a game  elevates them above the rest of us, making them better gamers, you are not. You are not better gamers, you are not facing harsh consequences and you are most certainly not playing a more realistic game. All you do is make yourself ready to invest more time.

 

You've obviously never lost a capital ship in EVE, or you'd agree that perma death is nothing compared to it.

A Titan's value in ISK (should you chose to buy it by selling GTC's) is probably near $10,000 real world dollars.  That's a harsh death penalty.  It takes the efforts of many players over many months to even build such a thing, and its much harsher than losing a character. 

Though in EVE, losing a high skill point character would hurt far more than most other games, because the training can only be done real-time, and there is no way to accelerate it.  Lose a character with 4 years of training, you're talking about a real loss.  Lose a WOW character, no big deal, what, takes like 2 months on a bad day to retrain one to max skill level?

So yeah, we are better, just because we're willing to risk more than others.  (even if its just time/money)

But that's what makes the game so fun, the thrill of victory, the agony of defeat.

 

 

Actually, I know what you are talking about, so let me say that EVE is an exception. I think in an earlier post I also stated that EVE is one of the games with harsh penalties. I do know how ti feels to lose a Titan (was in Cataclysm Enterprises when the D2 Titan got blown outta the sky -.-) so yes, you've got a point. I don't know if I would say it's much harsher than perma-death, I would say that depends on how advanced your character is and how much time you poured into it, right?

And I would still like to point out that it doesn't make you -better- that you are risking more time to put into the game.

After all, we are playing a game and some of us don't spend as much time in it as others. That doesn't make those who spend more time/money on the game better people. More experienced and probably more knowledgeable about the game due to spending more time there, yes, but not -better-. Honestly, this whole attacking back and forth between gamers of different types is just annoying.

You play your game the way you want, the way you have fun and others play it a different way. It's not a better way...just different. Can we agree to that?

PS: To Mr. flame-me who just posted above me: I did not report you. Your nice way of arguing is what got your posts deleted, not me.

Originally posted by Xemeo

Ok, so my guildmate says he was in a beta in july 2007.  He said he played for abit, then stopped.  I called him out b/c he's a frequent liar and asked him if he had beta to log on, say my name and SS it.  He said he cannot get on to his beta account anymore because you have to write a poem about the gods to be in beta now.  Basically I need info to prove or disprove his story.

 

Thanks in advance

The Poem-thing he mentions is indeed happening. But not as he says it. In fact, it is a contest where you could submit a prayer to the gods of the Conan Universe to Funcom in their Forums and from the submissions, they are going to select 200 people who will get a spot in the closed Beta. It is not a REQUIREMENT to get in, it is a contest that is being held by FunCom. It's CERTAINLY not needed for players who are already in Beta.

Originally posted by convictpwnz1

 

Originally posted by singsofdeath

 

Thank you for proving my point. It's wonderful to be proven right by the people who rant and rave against myself.

 

 

I could go on a litany of games I have played that have your beloved "harsh" DP's, but honestly, I do not see why. You mate, are a perfect example of what I was talking about earlier. Thinking yourself better than others because you think you play a more "challenging" game, a game with more harsh DP's. At least some of the others in this thread have the eloquence necessary to convey their point properly.

 

I rest my case.

{ Mod Edit }

1) I apologize for typing the way I was brought up to do, and I also apologize for knowing and then using words which you apparently think can only be found in a dictionary.

2) Are you getting off insulting me (see red marked passages)? Whatever did I do to you, besides telling you, in much less insulting words, that I think your "harshness" is, in fact, not harsh, but only another way to get people to spend more time in a game.

3) This discussion was not about PVP per se, but about death penalties, which can arise from PvP OR PvE. I don't know where in my posts you read that I am anti-PvP.

4) If you look closer, you will find a series of games that have loss at death etc. etc. How about EVE Online? Where you lose your ship and your equipment can be looted by the other players? How about original DAoC, where you lost XP due to death? Or even Final Fantasy XI where you could even lose levels if you died too often? And as you yourself stated, Lineage 2? I played them all, and I frankly find it intriguing why you would think I have never played such games before. Just because I do not share your point of view does not mean I didn't check out both sides of the fence, does it?

Finally, I would ask you to stop insulting me with senseless accusations and really petty jibes. Calling me an "ass hat" and "douche bag" won't get your point across any better. And by calling everyone who does not share your view at PvP/DP's sissy's, crybabies and whatnot, you -DO- more or less tell people that -you- think you are better than them.

Originally posted by convictpwnz1

 

i read your other posts and how u explained a illusion of what is or is not harsh...the fact is how many games out have nothing upon death by npc or even pvp if it has any pvp at all....

i can name one game and thats lineage 2...but even lineage 2 has cut its dp down quite alot over the past few expansions cause of all the sissys in it crying....go play c1 of lineage 2 and then come back if u havent hung yourself by your mouse cord and then cry about harsh dp and such but dont complain about a game being pvp b4 you played it just read what the games about and stfu and if its not what you like...GO PLAY SOMTHING ELSE

I could go on a litany of games I have played that have your beloved "harsh" DP's, but honestly, I do not see why. You mate, are a perfect example of what I was talking about earlier. Thinking yourself better than others because you think you play a more "challenging" game, a game with more harsh DP's. At least some of the others in this thread have the eloquence necessary to convey their point properly.

I rest my case.

Originally posted by qombi

So the original poster did not insult other players for enjoying a different style of play? I think he did and he got exactly what he was looking for. He came to upset others. I hate to say it, but a lot of people with his mindset that game