All Posts by singsofdeath

Originally posted by Satsuma0

It's a game called Knights of the Old Republic Online. Who are the Knights of the Old Republic? Jedi.

So let's just use a little property called substitution and you will realize the game is called...

 

"Jedi Online."

 

 

 

...I certainly hope it doesn't deal with Jedi too much.

 

(Actually, I would completely support a "Use the Force or GTFO" MMO, if that's the way it's designed and balanced from the ground up instead of tacked over an entirely different style of Star Wars game like Galaxies. However, I doubt that's all of what KOTOR Online will end up being from previous encounters with the series.)

Actually, as far as we can guess right now, the game will be called "Star Wars: The Old Republic". People use the KOTOR Online name because KOTOR is a known title and people can relate to it easy for the time being while we wait for the official announcement.

Anyway, by that logic, The Old Republic would allow for a much broader focus, no? 

While I am looking forward to this announcement as much as the next guy, there's already a huge number of threads discussing this topic m8.
 
I'd advise you to check out the Unofficial 'KOTOR MMORPG' Thread   Credit for this to DaeconX!

Cheers!

A moot point, since it will, in all likelihood, not happen.

BioWare will do their own game and while I am not 100% sure about this, since I obviously don#t know what they are doing, I am pretty sure that it is a safe bet that it won't simply be SWG v2.0. Pre-CU or not.

Originally posted by originalegg

Originally posted by FischerBlack

I guess its all subjective, but to me the graphics look very good. The animations are clunky and a bit dissapointing, but the art itself is superb imo.

 

Yup everyone has their own personal likes and dislikes, nothing wrong with that.  I also think the graphics are very good.

What isnt ok is people claiming the graphics are outdated or worse than eq or WAR...when clearly they arent.  thats how you tell between the skeptics and flat out trolls.

Im playing WAR right now and hands down the DF graphics are better....IMO!

Yes. It's wrong for people to claim Graphics are worse than anything else. It#s clearly trolling when someone compares it to EQ1 or DAoC (original) or whatever. Comparing it to WAR etc., I would say is personal preference.

What is also not right is to claim DF is AMAZING graphics and superior to anything else. Other side of the coin. That's how you tell between reasonable followers of the game and fanatic fanbois.

Graphics are decent in my opinion. Lighting Effects and Textures look good from what I can see in the video. Nothing groundbreaking and stunning, but alright so far in my books, though not exactly my taste. Animations need more work IMO.

Originally posted by Bonemane

Anyone know if they released any pictures or anything related to the rumors yet?

21st. That's when they will announce something for the FIRST time officially. There's no official media on this thing yet because no one even knows what the project IS officially.

2 more days!

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Originally posted by RDBeast

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Originally posted by Joker2240

Well it is kinda the darkfalls community fault for getting the graphics trolls... They are praising it as the best graphics they have EVER seen! Or the most detail! Which is asking for trolling... So there is not much you can do about it.  Just get over it or ignore it.... Simple isn't it... Ignore.....
 

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Lol no they arnt theres just people that like the style and think the graphics are fine. I havnt seen anyone saying the graphics are absolutely amazing cos obviously they arnt but they are fine for what the game offers.

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So, no one says that the graphics are amazing, eh?

The man up there has a good point. The DF Fanatics have a lot to be blamed for when it comes to the trolling themselves. Instead of staying positive, they go ballistic and outright outlandishly passionate.

Me personally, I'm not even gonna touch/discuss the graphics of DF until I have seen them for myself.

And as for the advanced AI. I still can't understand how people can claim a little video is -PROOF- of advanced AI. Great...the mob tried to flank a person. Oh wow. That has to mean they have the most advanced AI in the MMO-market. o.O

Stay realistic? The video has been a good boost to Aventurine's credibility. Why not be happy about that instead of overhyping it?

I know it's kind of silly but.....Only THREE more days!!!!! 

Just had to do it.

Originally posted by miscbattles

Originally posted by singsofdeath

Your way of following the game (aka absolute faith) is not the only way allowed.

that's actually the only way and has been the only way since 2001 and is still the only way.. because well... you still can't play it and see that they actually have all the features they've been talking about all these years.

NONE of the videos they have ever shown prove that they have anything more than a combat simulator.

I guess for some people that would be enough.. but I can gurantee you it wouldn't be enough to actually keep a game Pay2Play for very long.

All games in development are not there to be played yet. That doesn't mean you can't follow them. *sigh* Why does everything have to be so black and white around here??

I'll correct my statement though. Seems like absolute faith and absolute denial are the only two options in the eyes of many around here. *rolleyes*

Originally posted by Krogan

 

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Originally posted by Scriar

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Originally posted by DarthRaiden

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Originally posted by Scriar

 

Anyway if I am wrong I will happily admit it, but we will have to wait and see if they actually prove anyone wrong when they release in late decemeber early january it looks like. I will even keep the character name Scriar as I do in every game so you can come and attemp to get your own back for me bashing your game. You can hold me to that.

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Many people proofed wrong with latest videos and information. It is a matter of time you proofed wrong too.

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I hope your right, I would like nothing better than to be proven wrong by a game that is trying to be so different from all the everquest inspired games out there. Like I said though we can only wait and see, especially with this developer.

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I have to say I feel sorry for you, you are saying that you would love a game like Darkfall but still you do nothing but bitch bitch bitch about anything that hasn't been "proven" yet. How about perhaps you try supporting something worth while something like Darkfall rather take every optertunity to drag it through the mud?

Seriously if you don't think Darkfall is for you fine that is all good and fine but the fact is that there are a lot of us (over 300k so far) that want nothing more then a game like Darkfall and we are willing to make a leep of faith for a worth while cause.

You are making a leap of faith alright. But why does everyone else have to do it the same way? Is it forbidden to be interested in the game but cautious? Is it forbidden to have interest in the game but NOT believe everything just from words? Is it forbidden to be a fan of the IDEA of Darkfall but not be convinced completely (yet) that it will be what it claims to be?

I'll say what I said before. Good thing Aventurine showing the game finally. Raised my trust in the company a lot. I have much more hopes of a soon (TM) release now than I had before (I even adjusted my Hype on DF on this site HAH!).

And that's it. It's silly to call this video proof of Advanced AI, as it is silly to use it to judge graphics (since it was taken by a camcorder from someone playing on a screen, I wouldn't judge any graphics based on that, not for good and not for bad).

Your way of following the game (aka absolute faith) is not the only way allowed.

Originally posted by bodypass

Originally posted by SignusM

Ok, I'll break this up into two sections, and I'd LOVE for someone to prove me wrong.

I'll go small scope first. World of Warcraft. That game has absolutely ZERO unique features. Not a single one. Not a single original idea. Never has been. Its always been done by another game, and better.

 

Now Blizzard as a whole. When they created Starcraft and Warcraft they did so under the assumption that they'd get the rights to Warhammer. They did not, so they just changed the name from Warhammer to Warcraft, and switched a few things up. They got sued to hell and back, but hey, didn't stop people from buying the cheaper and easier knock off.

 

Now, I'd love for someone to tell me a "unique" feature from WoW, and I'll give you a game that had it first.

 

OK Here we go:

Did YOU know that BG and world PvP give daily experience/gold since patch 2.3 !!! (Launched Oct 2007)

So OR WAR copied that or WAR was released in Sep 2007?

Did you know that daily heroic dungeons are UNIQUE to WOW?

Did you know that WOW/TBC has a complete open seamless world you can fly all over and land anywhere you want to adventure in (from lakes, to mountains, to forest, to cities).

Could go on pages of this FIRST used "unique" programming" features.

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And talking of LORE !!!!

Did you know that I could go on for the complete "lore" thing in WOW that is FAR more complicated than that WAAAAARRGGHH principle.

In WOW  NO one is good or evil. Every race is corrupted by the demons and try to fight as much the other side AS THE EVIL WITHIN.

You know the LICH KING is nobody else but a corrupted Arthas, the main Hero Paladin of Warcraft 3. Books like The Cycle of Hatred show that Lady Proudmoore betrayed her own father to save the peace with the Hordes and her friendship with Thrall - the freed enslaved Orc - is legendary.

So as an MMORPG WAR is a very very very small and narrowed down copy of WOW. And Lore wise WOW stands on its own feet and is very very very much more interesting than Waaaaaggghhh.

War is only the good vs the bad. Wow is the "struggle" within. A man's struggle to fight the demons within.

But of course if you don't read your quests, don't play mmo RPG's, only play WAR (which has ZERO RP elements) where no one ever even has to read the content, then you say such things.

So I PROVED you wrong, both in MMO techniques and in LORE.

Now what ? ....you're plain wrong.

 

 

Please don't talk about a Lore you have no idea about whatsoever. It's nice and well to see you know your Warcraft Lore, but you obviously have no concept of the Warhammer Universe, of the background, the history, the world and the setting whatsoever.

So please, keep your arguments to things you have an inkling about, right?

Now THAT is what I call a gameplay Video. Many thanks for FINALLY showing us something like this.

While i still maintain my doubts about the issues I have adressed in other posts, I hope the silly discussion about Vaporware will at least finally subside and I have received a large boost in confidence that the game -will- actually release soon.

No guarantees, but a Aventurine's credit went up a good deal in my eyes.

Cheers!

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Originally posted by Realm-Reaper

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Originally posted by pixeldogmeat

Why do you guys care so much if a game is released on a console and on a pc. rather, why are you guys so concerned with how OTHER PLAYERS play the game? Isn't this about you? Aren't you paying a monthly fee for yourself and not other players? I really don't see why it matters.
I can understand that you may be upset if the game design itself suffers due to porting to consoles and having to dumb down the game for everyone. But this isn't what I'm hearing.
I think the next MMO should be something involving getting all the forum trolls and giving them some place to complain and naysay all other MMO's. It's only natural.
 

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Console games tend to be Dumbed Down to the point where a chimp could play them well. Also Console games tend to draw L337 Kiddies and no one enjoys that kind of company.

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Although I tend to agree that controls usually are simplified for Console Hybrids. Which in turn leads to fewer options.

Originally posted by jeffg316

Isn't there supposed to be some big announcement about the new SW MMO today?

21st is the day you're looking for. 4 more days.

Originally posted by flakmonky

Originally posted by singsofdeath

Hey all you guys that were at the presentation today!!! Get some Video's up for crying out loud!!!! I wanna see something besides a few fuzzy pictures, please!!!

 

 

Seriously, please? Some video coverage?

 

Due to a last minute change in the time of the presentation, we only have confirmation of one fan that made it. It is thought that he is currently sleeping. He has promised a subbed video at some point over the weekend. Be patient.

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You're not serious, right? A last minute change in timing, so everyone who wanted to see the game actually didn't get to see it except -ONE-???

Wow....I wouldn't want to be someone who went to Greece to see the DF Presentation only to find out it had been moved at the last minute and I couldn't see it.

Hey all you guys that were at the presentation today!!! Get some Video's up for crying out loud!!!! I wanna see something besides a few fuzzy pictures, please!!!

Seriously, please? Some video coverage?

Originally posted by Locklain

Originally posted by Force_Fire

Originally posted by Locklain

Originally posted by Dark_Fail

Originally posted by precuorbust

First off, the engine they are using, the Hero Engine, is PC only, so they'd have to basically have a 2nd team doing a conversion for it to work on consoles.

Secondly, assuming that it is also released on consoles, my main worry is that it'd be dumbed down for console controllers instead of requiring (or even supporting) a keyboard.  That would put me off completely.

As for "macrotranscams" I will not play anything that uses that, because gameplay won't be about how good you are or how good your guild is, but based on how much money you are willing to spend.

There is simply too much temptation for a MMO publisher to screw with drop rates and other things in game to make the non RMT path (if they even offered one) so unattractive as to basically force people to buy crap all the time in order to compete.

Not to mention that Devs have the option of obsoleting gear at any time, and you can bet, in a game with RMT that today's stuff for sale via RMT will always be better than last month's.

Maybe it's because I'm still so jaded by SOE that I assume that MMO publishers will ALWAYS give in to temptation to screw over their customers when they see a quick buck in it, but it is what it is, and LEC/Bioware/EA WILL have to deal with this, as the bruised and battered SWG community IS going to be the core audience of their new MMO whether they like it or not.

 

Which is why LA & BW need to create a game in the image of the old Pre-CU. If they do this they with have at least 300k in loyal fans and another 200k that come and go. Lets hope they are looking to go this route.

I can guarantee that they will not take this path.  Take it as you will the SWG community was too small to be aimed directly at.  True, they may cater to some of what the SWG community is looking for but do not expect a skill based system or an open world.

 

Tell us why we have no chance of seeing a "Skill Based" system and an Open World? What is driving your points? How can you guarantee such things? Is it just a hunch or can you back your claims with fact.

 

 

Call it intuition if you would like. The mass audience for an MMO becomes "lost" when they are offered too many choices. If they are not guided along by the hand frustration will set in and they will inevitably quit the game.
 

While I think it would be great to have a skill based system and an open world the money that AAA developers are looking for is just not there.
 

The key is to not set yourself up for failure, if you have low expectations when it does roll around you wont feel so let down.

 

 

Personally, I think that there is a simple way to appease both crowds somewhat. Add the variety of a skill-based system to a level-based game. Keep the "guiding" lines of Level-based games while allowing greater flexibility in what you wish your character to do/be.

Look at FFXI. It may not be the best game out there, but I personally think they did one thing right. Every character could learn EVERY class in the game. Two Classes could be active at any one time. But it gave you the option to be everything you wanted to be, a combination of different classes AND the ability to switch and be something completely different at a later time.

Of course, that is far from a true skill-based game, but it'd add a lot of variety and flexibility to an otherwise rigid and static system (Level-Based).

Originally posted by stayontarget

Originally posted by singsofdeath

Originally posted by TenSpotting

Originally posted by eq2pvpsucks

Originally posted by GrayGhost79

For those that don't know what this is......

 

Which is everybody

 

Stop it already. Just because you think the world ends at the borders of America doesn't mean that there aren't more enlightened people out there who have an inkling that there's more to the world than the USA.

yes please stop , Not everyone you disagree with is from the USA.

I really want to answer you...but I have no clue what you are talking about? Were you responding to me? If so, I am sorry, i do not catch your meaning.

It's a combination of the following:

1) A well known and loved IP, aka Warcraft.

2) An almost uncanny sense of timing. They hit the market at exactly the right time to draw in millions of people who had never before played MMO's. It was a little after MMO's came out of their dark niche, just enough to have the attention of the public.

3) A huge Media Campaign. Yes, that#s right. I can only speak for Europe, but for a year inadvance, in every Gaming Magazine you found there would be -SOME- piece of news/advertisement of WoW.

4) A team that made an effort to correct mistakes quickly and more often than not gave people the sense of actually working things out. In contrast to launches like...say AoC, I always had the feeling that the Blizzard Dev's were always working and had actual plans for the game. In AoC, I was often left wondering if the Dev's themselves knew what they were doing.

5) Easy to access, low System-Req's and easy to learn. Yes, WoW is easy to learn. A 5-year-old can hop in and start playing and he would make progress. Couple that with a sense of accomplishment even when you invest little time, it attracted people that had not been attracted to this kind of game before.

That's the main reasons in my opinion. I still refute any claims that WoW was more polished than titles today. That is just utter fanboism. Anyone who played WoW on release will remember hour-long log-in waits, overpopulated servers crashing on a regular schedule, and a whole bunch of bugs. Never mind the accounting system which was totally not able to deal with the rush of people. I had to wait two days after release till I could actually make an account and even then I had all the problems mentioned above. WoW was NOT a beautiful launch, regardless what some people may say.

BUT, in all these problems, as i said above, I always had the feeling that the Dev's were working hard to correct things quickly. I never felt that the game was being left unattended, like I got in other game releases. So I suppose that, and the novelty of the concept for many, kept people there.

A launch like WoW will most likely never happen again. Sorry to say that, but Blizzard struck gold with when and how they released WoW. It's not just the game itself, it was the timing and the market that hepled the game along a great deal. Other games today are at a severe disadvantage compared to that.

Originally posted by ronan32

Originally posted by Exar_Kun

Originally posted by Soupgoblin

I hope that we still have the opportunity to PVP for whichever side we choose.

Nothing quite like having a group of friends decked out in Storm trooper armor (or the equivalent) chasing down a bunch of flagged rebel scum...

 

Agree with you...I DO!

However, the thing I could never get over was the fact that REBS and IMPS seemed to group together all too often. They would always be seen socializing and what not in the Pubs and Canteens. I never really felt we were at War. If anything, I want to have a real hate for the other side!

so you want them to spli