All Posts by whisperwynd

To that, I must admit I am also baffled. If it was overlooked, and Stradden was simply defending someone, I could understand. Though that tends to lead to mud in the face on everyone involved (in politics anyway). 

Originally posted by lugal

 

Maybe you need to take your own advice.

Copy pasted from the review.

Cons

Grind-Geavy Mid to High Level Progression
Lack of PVP Risk/Reward
Neanderthal Player Base
Post-20 Quest Content
Under-Developed Crafting, Social Games 
 

 

EDIT: Malickie was quicker than I with the copy paste.

Yes he was, but thank you also for showing it. I love to debate, and even though I sometimes am proven wrong. I try to be 'gracious' in defeat. 

Originally posted by Malickie

Sure about that?

/snip

Cons
Grind-Geavy Mid to High Level Progression
Lack of PVP Risk/Reward
Neanderthal Player Base
Post-20 Quest Content
Under-Developed Crafting, Social Games

 

  Lol, I guess I slammed that door on myself pretty hard, didn't even see that window.

Never one to argue when I'm wrong, I apologize for not seeing it and you can omit everything I said in that last post. 

 Then I have no choice but to agree with you on your comments, and how insulting you may feel.

Originally posted by Malickie

 This guy is speaking officially for this website, people who play AOC visit this website, it's very likely they are going to have some issue with being criticized by industry professionals.

This is basically the equivalent of the xbox mag, saying only yard apes play on xbox live. That may be funny for those who play playstation. However, those who play xbox are going to think twice before reading and trusting what that magazine has to say before spending their money on games it recommends. It could cause some to quit reading/posting here all together, which hurts no one but mmorpg.com.

This has nothing to do with how the game was scored, it has everything to do with the way you show respect to those who are visting your site.

As I said in my first post in this thread, I don't disagree with the game getting a 6-7( I'd go with a 7 personally, judged by the standards present in official reviews here), I take offence to being called a neanderthal however.

Take the forum war b.s. somewhere else, I'm sick and tired of arguing over ad hominem rehetoric.

 

 

I hate to interject against you once again Malickie, but nowhere does it say neanderthal in the review either. I just don't understand where those insulted get that.

He uses '"Unfortunately handicapped by the general asshattery of its player base.." but nowhere does he call the playerbase idiots or neanderthals. I wish ppl would spend more time reading and less time convincing themselves of their self-righteous claim to victimization. I've read it twice, so please tell me where he says that.

Idk MrB, repeating three times your equally insulting 'Random user post'  comment to someone named by the managing editor as being an 'official reviewer' in the same thread can be construed as spamming, don't you think?

 Where are your 'debate' premises, other than the original post? Where is the constructive argument, the counterpoints made after the initial defense? You just spewed out the same thing, so in any logical debate, it's 'spamming'.  You may not see it because you were trying to make a point,  but the insistence in which you reiterated yourself showed a lack of 'decorum' on your part in this.

 I read perfectly fine, friend, though reading is only half of a written discussion, writing obviously being the other.

Originally posted by Malickie

Originally posted by whisperwynd

Originally posted by Malickie

If you don't want a reply don't write the post, that's how it works. With that I'm done.

That makes little to no sense, but on an anonymous forum, I guess anything is permitted...read up on debating and/or logic and you'll understand what debates truly are. But like I said, this is a forum, and neither of those things apply here, you and I  were just talking about different mediums.

 

I was referring to the last part of your post "how it works", you're saying it's spamming to post on a dead subject. I'm saying if people don't want a dead subject to continue, don't start it up again by posting about it or aguing with the points made.

Even though I never said it was spamming, that was Stradden, I was pretty much saying the same thing. I thought you were doing just that (bringing up a dead subject by your objection:

-"How is it spamming if you are simply trying to keep your point in the context you wrote it in? "

MrB was just spamming this line: "Now you see my comparison with this review being an elevated post by forum user #8299647832.", even after it was explained by Stradden that nothing about the review was by a 'random user'.

If the subject/topic has been explained to the extent it can go, then further display of the same 'points' is futile and is spamming. That's all I was saying in that regard.

I apologize for the confusion, if any, though I still stand by what I said. 

Originally posted by Malickie

If you don't want a reply don't write the post, that's how it works. With that I'm done.

That makes little to no sense, but on an anonymous forum, I guess anything is permitted...read up on debating and/or logic and you'll understand what debates truly are. But like I said, this is a forum, and neither of those things apply here, you and I  were just talking about different mediums.

Originally posted by Malickie

I was asking him in terms of all conversation, not just this one.

Another poster and I had a disagreement he made his case I made mine, that's the essence of debate, I am done with that conversation. When someone else replies to my post I'll respond, that's how it works.

What you're saying is once you're done, the whole conversation is done, that my friend is not how it works.

Yes and he was quoting on a subject already dead. If you wish to beat a dead horse thats's fine, but keep on track with which argument is being discussed. And fyi..it IS how it works, else you lose credibility for future debates, but I don't need to go into that discussion.

Originally posted by Malickie

Originally posted by Stradden

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

Now you see my comparison with this review being an elevated post by forum user #8299647832.

 

Jef is an official reviewer for MMORPG.com. He is not "random user #anything.

Seriously. You didn't like the review. That's fine, but you're really starting to go too far. I am doing you the courtesy of asking you to please stop. You have made your point, now you're just spamming.

Hold on a second, the only reason the point gets reiterated is because people keep arguing with it. They're also completely missing the point behind the complaint, which creates another need to reiterate the point.

How is it spamming if you are simply trying to keep your point in the context you wrote it in?

What context for crying out loud??? Reviewer wrote a review. HIS personal views on it. Some didn't like it and they want what? An apology? Get over yourselves, take it with a grain of salt and move.

You can't debate a one sided argument. It isn't reiteration anymore, it's not being able to accept the futility of arguing a point to death. The debate happened, it left without resolve, that's it. If you were all too slow to see it go, reread and move on.

It's gets sad when even the Managing Editor has to repeat himself in asking to 'move on'.

Originally posted by Steelrose

 

All right idiot have 0-25 IQ if im correct. Shame we can't measure the IQ of an average neanderthal. That would be a close comparison.

Idk, even Geiko gives them the credit to be able to save money on car insurance. Even they got offended, you can even see their endeavors on a few sites showing off how smart they really are...

Originally posted by Steelrose

Originally posted by whisperwynd

Originally posted by Steelrose

Originally posted by jedijef

 As for your other assertions, let me just state that every single thing you said in this post is incorrect, and leave it at that.

/salute

 

I ask you as well. Does your line suppose to convince me? Or convince anyone else reading this thread? Or you? When you wake up, do you look at yourself in the mirror and say "You are great, you are fantastic, you are genius"?

 

Well, it has certainly convinced me that he's more credible than you are, because he's right. Simple as that.

 

I don't mind arguing with masses, I'm doing that all my life. I'm happy to see it's so easy to convince you just by saying this guy is incorrect and i'm right. I guess you have a good life. A simple one, but definetly good.

I do have a good, simple life. Complicated gives you stress, less enjoyment, and confusion that leads to misunderstandings and strife.

Seriously, I don't see in the article anything mentioned with the word 'idiots', so I he's right about that one at least. And you 'posing' as him in front of the mirror? That's a little asinine, don't you think?

Originally posted by Aguitha

Originally posted by whisperwynd

Originally posted by Aguitha

Originally posted by Deewe

 

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Originally posted by Aguitha
Typical MMORPG.COM review here.  How can you expect a fair and honest review when in one hand you get money from them and on the other review their game.
Fact is, this game blows major.  The only good thing is the 1-20 game period.  How can you get a passable rate (6/10) when the game is nothing but a grind past 20.

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Seriously why do you bother anymore to come here and even waste your precious time to post?

So you think in 2 passable sentences your are doing a better job jan the reviewer? Be my guest write a full article on the game, post it here and let the community be your judge.

For now you are just a lame troll in the body of a sick gnome, not impressive at all.

 

I come here to read what's new about the mmo's community.  But when i read review that are obviously biased, i can't help but comment on it.  And last time i checked, that's what a forum is about.

Let me guess this straight...You believe that this site is paid to write their reviews for gaming companies, and you call it typical. Therefor, you must dislike all the reviews here for that same reason. Then why, in your last statement, would you say that you come here and read what's new if you know it's already biased because they get paid to write it in the first place?

In conclusion, this logic further suggests that since this is a forum, and you can, at any time, write your comments on said reviews. You will inevitably write contradictory comments about them, since they are initially biased from the start.

I'm not trying to flame you, just making you aware that anything can be construed by statements. It just takes the right sequence to turn into something else.

 

 

And you think that when they put that HUGE background AOC  wallpaper that they do it for free ?  I'm not saying they are paid to write review, but they are certainly paid by the game they are reviewing.  In my book you can't be credible if you get money from the same guy you review.

Ah, now your talking advertising. That's totally different. You may try to connect those dots if you like, but in business, it's totally different. Just because a company pays another for advertising, it doesn't necessairly mean they bought the opinions of that company.

The issue of whether or not Mmorpg is biased for those companies by way of payment is irrelevant. Fact is, if YOU believe they are, and are still here posting and being a part of this community...don't throw stones in a glass house. It just makes you look like a hypocrite.

Originally posted by Steelrose

Originally posted by jedijef

 As for your other assertions, let me just state that every single thing you said in this post is incorrect, and leave it at that.

/salute

 

I ask you as well. Does your line suppose to convince me? Or convince anyone else reading this thread? Or you? When you wake up, do you look at yourself in the mirror and say "You are great, you are fantastic, you are genius"?

Well, it has certainly convinced me that he's more credible than you are, because he's right. Simple as that.

Originally posted by Aguitha

Originally posted by Deewe

 

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Originally posted by Aguitha
Typical MMORPG.COM review here.  How can you expect a fair and honest review when in one hand you get money from them and on the other review their game.
Fact is, this game blows major.  The only good thing is the 1-20 game period.  How can you get a passable rate (6/10) when the game is nothing but a grind past 20.

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Seriously why do you bother anymore to come here and even waste your precious time to post?

So you think in 2 passable sentences your are doing a better job jan the reviewer? Be my guest write a full article on the game, post it here and let the community be your judge.

For now you are just a lame troll in the body of a sick gnome, not impressive at all.

 

I come here to read what's new about the mmo's community.  But when i read review that are obviously biased, i can't help but comment on it.  And last time i checked, that's what a forum is about.

Let me guess this straight...You believe that this site is paid to write their reviews for gaming companies, and you call it typical. Therefor, you must dislike all the reviews here for that same reason. Then why, in your last statement, would you say that you come here and read what's new if you know it's already biased because they get paid to write it in the first place?

In conclusion, this logic further suggests that since this is a forum, and you can, at any time, write your comments on said reviews. You will inevitably write contradictory comments about them, since they are initially biased from the start.

I'm not trying to flame you, just making you aware that anything can be construed by statements. It just takes the right sequence to turn into something else.