How does it differ or does it? I was wondering what impact TOA has today, if any on RvR play. I am a new player is why I am asking this question. What I am wondering about is doing certain things in TOA pretty much necessary to compete at 50 in RvR on a regular server or not? Are there things people skip getting/doing on classic servers without TOA that somehow make RvR different?

A comment I read somewhere else here just now made a casual reference to there being some difference and that made me wonder what it is. I also worry a little if I need to do older content othes aren't doing to compete when I can play with them at 50 in RvR....

Thanks for any info.

TOA Servers: Pretty much required to get arties to be able to compete with other people as well as Master Levels. Both of these take a lot of work in pve. There is also /level command which allows any player that has a lvl 50 character to make a lvl 20 character so for all new players the population of people your level will be low. They also have buff bots. A buff bot is a character that is made to buff a player and is not actually played. A person will log in with the buff bot and buff their other character then go play their main character. The bot just sits there to have the buffs up.

Classic: No buff bots, no arties TOA, no Master Levels, no /level. Classic has higher population which makes it easier to get into groups and there will be more people to kill in RvR. Classic has Champion Levels instead of ML. CL are much easier to get and have less of an affect on the player so you can get by without having high CL.

Basicly as a new player to the game I suggest make a character on Classic so that you can get familiar with the game and make friends. Once you have played a while then go try the TOA servers.

Thanks. After a whole lot of thought and talking about it in another thread with a mix of advice I think I will reroll on a classic server and the hell with TOA and the grind for artifacts, etc. to play RvR with probably less people. I spent too much time fussing over what to do already now and its time to just make a character and play... lol.

Actually, I did do that for a few levels on a TOA server and the time wasn't wasted. I became familiar with the basics, have read a lot about the classes, races, realms, general game info, etc. and am about as ready as a newie can be to start doing the learning that only comes by playing. I might as well do it in places with the most players since I most enjoy grouping ultimately even though I am a person who also likes to solo either because of odd playtimes or even just because its sometimes fun.

I'm not new to MMO's and I should have known there was a grind in TOA to get stuff for RvR that does not exist on classic servers, even if that grind is now groupable vs raid. I'm sure there will be enough other grinds without that one too now that I've thought about it more.

Thanks again for the info. A number of people with differing views have been kind enough to post thier thoughts and suggestions and that has been a big help making the best choice for my own purposes. I appreciate all of the feedback even if I can't take every suggestion since some conflict with each other ;-)

Thanks again :-)

The classic servers are just as bad as the TOA servers now with superduper rare MUST HAVE items to compete.Do not be fooled into thinking there is much difference.The truth is the game is dying and what is left is the hanger-ons all decked out and hoping you come along and feed them rps.Wait for a new game and get in on the bottom floor.They will come here whining that it is not true but i submit i have nothing to gain from stating these facts and they are facts.Where as the current player who has the decked out character has no one to kill if you dont come along and feed them the rps.As always working as intended.tabled need more specifics,design decision,not at this time,and thanks for playing dark age of camelot

Originally posted by karnaktc

The classic servers are just as bad as the TOA servers now with superduper rare MUST HAVE items to compete.Do not be fooled into thinking there is much difference.The truth is the game is dying and what is left is the hanger-ons all decked out and hoping you come along and feed them rps.Wait for a new game and get in on the bottom floor.They will come here whining that it is not true but i submit i have nothing to gain from stating these facts and they are facts.Where as the current player who has the decked out character has no one to kill if you dont come along and feed them the rps.As always working as intended.tabled need more specifics,design decision,not at this time,and thanks for playing dark age of camelot

If you need to have the "MUST HAVE" items, how in earth do I and many other have high RR-alts without that über gear? I haven't even templated my alts and I don't really see that as a huge disadvantage. My opinion is that you don't need top gear to be efficient in RvR, it helps of course, but it isn't a must.

That troll has been around for quite some time.  You can tell it's him over and over due to the same line he uses at the end of his post.  You would think spouting the same crap over and over again would get tedious.

Originally posted by Illius

That troll has been around for quite some time.  You can tell it's him over and over due to the same line he uses at the end of his post.  You would think spouting the same crap over and over again would get tedious.

aye, he has really had some bad experiences in Daoc, prolly made some FOTM alt in there and was seriously owned so he went back to WoW. Good thing for all of us really.

Yea I've got a reply..........uh what?

Originally posted by karnaktc

Funny how when you dont like the FACTS and they are facts that i post i become a troll.Clearly you fall into the category which I speak of  the lifer (with many alts) who does not want the free rps to stop rolling in.Anyone with any shred of honesty will tell you that the superduper rare drop items make a HUGE difference if they did not people would not have them plain and simple and they would not be rare.The part timer or casual player has little to no chance of  obtaining said items and IS at a huge disadvantage and this clearly and cleanly is FACT .The 75-80% population drop they have taking in the last 18-24 months is because this game is so great and balanced and people love it right??Go ahead and tell me the 75-80% population loss is not fact too because then well... that would be a lie.I have stated before and will again i have nothing to gain from typing these tidbits and alas the angry retorts come from those who do.And as always working as intended,tabled need more specifics,design decision,not at this time,and thanks for playing dark age of camelot

Because you haven't stated a single fact. You haven't listed these super rare items, (and if they're so rare, how does 'everyone' have them?)  Your posts seem like rants more than intelligent discussions, which gets you labeled as a troll  Also, you seem to have no ability to use paragraphs or proper sentence spacing  in your posts..making them difficult and annoying to read. (another troll characteristic)

 I re-subbed for about 4 months back at XMAS time.... and I never really felt totally outclassed (oh sure, by a few players) but I was able to compete and earn my fair share of RPS.  Maybe I couldn't  beat everyone, but I did enough damage to have fun. I'd have still played but Classic Servers just didn't have the same feel as the old FFA Mordred server that I used to play on (and its totally dead now) so I decided to move on.

Originally posted by karnaktc

The classic servers are just as bad as the TOA servers now with superduper rare MUST HAVE items to compete.Do not be fooled into thinking there is much difference.The truth is the game is dying and what is left is the hanger-ons all decked out and hoping you come along and feed them rps.Wait for a new game and get in on the bottom floor.They will come here whining that it is not true but i submit i have nothing to gain from stating these facts and they are facts.Where as the current player who has the decked out character has no one to kill if you dont come along and feed them the rps.As always working as intended.tabled need more specifics,design decision,not at this time,and thanks for playing dark age of camelot

This is true, even on the classic servers if you aren't RR7+, full template, max resists, max stats, max hp, epic-equiped, you're just fodder for the veterans who are RR10, max everything.

What they need to do is make the game free, as well as tweak it to where once you're at lvl 50, it's easy to get templated (to a reasonable level), and RR's come a little easier at earlier levels RR1 - RR7.

The game would be infinitely more fun if everyone was equal, veterans only had a slight advantage (not a god-like advantage), it was free for at least most expansions, and getting your equipment to give near-max resists, hp, and stats was easy. 

I'd say make the grind from 25-50 be a LOT easier, a lot less grinding, and a A LOT faster, give players epic-sets of armor/items to give them 20 of all resists, +90 of all stats, and +300hp, and incredibly easy-to-get and FAST RR5.

This way every player at lvl 50 would have +20/26 resists, +90/101 stats, +300/400 hp, and RR5. Everyone would be on a fair playing field.
The veterans and hardcore players could have 26/26, 101/101, 400/400, and RR7-10. This gives them an edge, but not a drastic one.

LEVEL THE PLAYING FIELD, GET RID OF THE GRIND 25-50, AND MAKE IT FREE (population booster)!!!!!!!!!!

Some other points which I think would also level the playing field:
Speed/Movement and Healing.
These two things are TOO important. The fact a Minstrel/Bard/Skald and a  Cleric/Healer/Druid are the most sought after classes is just stupid. Nothing is worse than a party without a SPEED song and healing.
Solution? Give more classes speed songs. Not as fast as a minstrel's speed, but FAST ENOUGH to not be incredibly slow.
Or just make horses FASTER.
Also shrink NF's map. Its way too big, and you run around doing nothing way too much.

Why on Earth would any company make and support a game like DAoC and then make it free?  Doesn't make any sense to me.

Play something else. DAoC makes even the most imbalance PvP game seem like a greener pasture.

Let this game die, it doesn't deserve new players with the way Mythic has designed and balanced it.

If they want to make this game accessible to new players they have a lot of work on their hands. Currently the only way to be competitive is to have friends that can twink you, have a high level toon that can twink you/farm items, or buy platinum to template yourself out.

I just started playing it on normal servers (sorry, they have a higher population than classic and I actually like ToA, it's more content to do for PvE i.e. gives the game a longer lifespan) but after my buffbot's trial account goes out I'm going back to Lineage II. This game is old and not tolerable to people who have played more recent PvP games. RvR is not my thing, too many crappy Mids that I want to kill but can't, and it's the only realm with a class that I enjoy playing.

The Albion realm has classes that own so much/are more fun/powerlevel so well that almost everyone plays it. In mass RvR it is like 50 Albs v. 10 Mids v. 30 Hibs. That's not fun. Everyone goes Alb becuase it is the easiest way to get to 50. They can get powerleveled to 50 in hours which makes sticking around at the lower levels tolerable. With /level 20 all the players in Thid for the most part are twinked/templated alts.

The same goes for Molvik.

I did do well when I met up with players that weren't twinked out and were on my level, but that is a very very rare occurence...

Either way, get twinked/templated or GTFO.

You can go from R1L1 to mid R2 by doing a doppleganger quest, and if you wait to 50 you get even more RPs, so no one cares about what RR you alts are. A guildie gave me the quest items for the cloak, and I was gonna wait until 50 to turn it in for the ~16,500 RPs, but...