Ok so I am debating whether or not to come back. I know people are probably tired of these posts because they seem like attention getters or whatever you would like to call it but.. Some things ive noticed in the game that have turned me off a few times.

My character has like I dunno like 13-14m SP but the character is extremely mixed between being able to fly a raven with full t2 everything and can also fly a hulk with t2 crystals. Well anyway thats not my question thats just a little back ground info. Ive been jumping around because I cannot decide what I like more.

1. Has anyone experienced a miltiary 'like' recruitment process that is involved in this game? Like ill put a "I am looking for a corp post and I have blah blah blah and im interested in blah blah blah." And usually the people that respond are the copy / pasters providing you with false information or misleading information or they get your hopes up for nothing. For example heres one instance. I joined a corp got some easy acess to 0.0 they were aligned with goonswarm and a ton of other allies in the area and we only had a few red alliance guys come in the area every now and then. "Sure we got arknor, sure we got bistot, Lots of it!" You get out there and you find out the arknor is in 4 systems away from the home station and no one patrols the system with the arknor and bistot so when rats spawn your screwed because you cannot kill the massive 3 BS's rats in your hulk. Obviously this can be debated because I know with the right modules you can tank these rats and kill them I suppose but lets take into account the amount of ISK it requires for some of these setups. Usually in the mid-high range triple digit millions. And how are you supposed to get isk like that if you cant mine it? And mining being the whole reason you came out there in the first place. Or you join a corp "Sure we got arknor, sure we got bistot! lots of it!" You get out there and happily find out the home system is in an amazing spot. But they failed to mention they are not the only alliance / corp in that area and the other corps take 50 hulks out there every day and strip every single belt so your still stuck with going 4 jumps away and if any baddies / rats spawn your screwed. The baddies cause you cant run the best thing u can do is log off immediately, and the rats your screwed because even if you go get your hauler ( 4 or 5 times the rats have actually blown my hauler up when I am trying to get the stuff out ). I just dont see how people get well established in this game. I mean ive met some people that literally have billions and I just dont see how they do it. Ive spent days sitting around mining with t2 crystals for hours and hours and by my math it would take.. Forever to get that kind of money.

Ok I know that was long but I have some more stuff to vent about

2. "Sure were active, and were friendly!" Well actually when you get out there no one in the corp talks to you beacuse theyve already formed that little "circle of friends" from the original members and it just feels like back in grade when trying to figure out which table to sit at because no one would talk to you. I know that seems kinda emo but I am not exaclty the type of person to walk into a gas station and just start a random conversation with someone I dont know. Secondly. It seems like the corps I have joined do corp related stuff like once a week. I mean.. I log on and theres itleast 5-8 people on why not get somthing together and go do somthing than? It just seems like theres way to much down time involved with all the corps ive been in. I wouldn't mind going out and mining as a corp every single night and not making a profit. So long as the corp has a sense of humor talks on vent / team speak and dosn't just sit there like robots shooting lasers at rocks..

I dunno thats just some issues ive had with the game. I mean arknor and bistot isn't even that big of a priority to me, profit is not even that big of a priority to me. My biggest thing is finding a complete U.S. Based corp that is on a lot and does somthing/ anything together every single night that it is feasable.

One of the first corps I joined we had like 4-5 very experienced guys and its amazing these guys were awesome and it as kinda crazy because we went in and were taking systems by our selves and we saved up enough isk to get our own freighter and were doing 18 jumps from our home system out in 0.0 that was next door to a high end complex ( back when they were static and did not reset, we were making shit tons of money off this complex ) Taking like 5 topped out bs's and we actually made friends with people in the neighboring systems and they had a constant gate camp that cwas the only passage way to our area so we never had issues with any reds. It just seems like active / friendly / motivated people do a hell of a lot better than "Hey lets join a corp, not talk to anyone, and do our own thing." Type of corps do.

Anyway im done ranting. Feel free to comment :|

Escorting that freighter into empire to sell the goods we got from complex running was an awesome sense of accomplishment. I mean i know bob and them with their ridcoulas amount of titans. Last time I played they had like 5 and who knows how many they have now. but for a corp of like 7 people to save up the amount of money we did in such a shrot amount of time get that freighter and such. It was just pure awesomeness for me. I remember the first time we took that thing through the system that was being gate camped all the guys sitting at the gate just said wow thats pretty cool. Flying along with our big ass freighter and 5 or 6 bs's escorting it. That was probably the happiest / best moment I had in eve. Unfortnutally that group of friends broke up shortly after they took our static complex away and due to the fact the leader kept trying to get involved in getting into IAC territory or somthing I cannot even remember now.

Ok, going to try and analyze your posts, don't take it personal.

You fly a T2 raven (for missions undoubtably) and fly a Hulk, you want access to easy 0.0 to gain wealth and aren't happy when that takes effort. Apart from that you don't look beyond the bloody obvious (mining/mission running). Essentially you bring nothing a to a group of really active players since you have nothing to offer them. There you end up with the corps/alliances who just sortof 'exist', zombiefied people who fail to work together properly and/or fail to understand EVE.

If you want to play with active/knowlegdable people who WANT/expect teamwork you'll have to find a PVP corp/alliance. Going "look at the T2 crystals on my Hulk" won't get you far, going "look at the T2 ammo on my large turrets!" works a lot better. If you want the group to 'give' to you, you must be in a position to give them something first, and then expect/hope for something in return. Not the other way round.

EVE is a highly competetive environment, if you want to play with the good players (ie; teamworkers) you'll have to grow, meet people and be able to bring something to the table first. So; if you want to be part of a big, active organisation that's going places you'll have to make a plan on how to become an asset to them. Thing is that you can try and find a proper alliance like that, but there's just a fair few of them and you can just bet your a$$ it's going to take a LONG time to get into those. There's enough smaller corps that do well because of teamwork and non-idiot members, you just have to find them.

Originally posted by Soraellion

Ok, going to try and analyze your posts, don't take it personal.

You fly a T2 raven (for missions undoubtably) and fly a Hulk, you want access to easy 0.0 to gain wealth and aren't happy when that takes effort. Apart from that you don't look beyond the bloody obvious (mining/mission running). Essentially you bring nothing a to a group of really active players since you have nothing to offer them. There you end up with the corps/alliances who just sortof 'exist', zombiefied people who fail to work together properly and/or fail to understand EVE.

If you want to play with active/knowlegdable people who WANT/expect teamwork you'll have to find a PVP corp/alliance. Going "look at the T2 crystals on my Hulk" won't get you far, going "look at the T2 ammo on my large turrets!" works a lot better. If you want the group to 'give' to you, you must be in a position to give them something first, and then expect/hope for something in return. Not the other way round.

EVE is a highly competetive environment, if you want to play with the good players (ie; teamworkers) you'll have to grow, meet people and be able to bring something to the table first. So; if you want to be part of a big, active organisation that's going places you'll have to make a plan on how to become an asset to them. Thing is that you can try and find a proper alliance like that, but there's just a fair few of them and you can just bet your a$$ it's going to take a LONG time to get into those. There's enough smaller corps that do well because of teamwork and non-idiot members, you just have to find them.

 

 

How did you analyze my post and come to a conclusion that I am being self centered and selfish and have nothing to bring to a team if I just stated I am not looking for a profit and that I would be willing to use my Hulk to help as long as that group was willing to do corp related stuff more often than every week? Honestly and do not take this personally. You sound like a fan boi trying to defend his favorite game. Because you obviously are incredibly mistaken. 

And no I used my Raven for complex running and 0.0 ratting. Cant do many missions in 0.0 .

The post wasn't ment to describe me being selfish and wanting everything my way. I am old enough to realize the world isn't Burger King and I dont always get it my way. I am simply stating that CORPS give misleading and neglect to give further information when you ask them questions. Re-analyze please.

And to further add.. The only reason I stated the instances where they told me they had Arknor and Bistot was because they offered it. I did not ever say I demand it or I would not join. I found out prior to my interest in joining them. But when you ask them "Hey do you guys have arknor or bistot or anything like that out there?"...... "Yeah we got tons." ..... "Cool thats great.."  Yet they fail to elaborate. I understand I never asked them to elaborate but I would think it would be common sense to kind of include the fact that it might be impossible for a single person to mine alone. I am simply stating they provide mis-leaing information in order to gain members.Or they just dont include members at all. And heres a real life example.  I was reading an article where some kid had a checking account with Bank Of America and they told him about their program that takes the change from each dollar amount that you charge on your debit card and transfers it to your savings account. Yet they fail to mention that this could cause massive account over drafts. They also fail to mention they do not posess the intelligence to setup the program to not transfer the change if its going to over draft someones account. That is mis-leading and I think should be considered a criminal offense. Because they know what will eventually happen due to their lack of eleboration on a service they are offering. I mean you could turn around and easily say well its the person responsibility to keep up with that. Well what about the banks responsibility? Its time to start holding Corporation in and out of game at a higher standard and stop putting stress on their customers rather then them selves. Anyway thats just how I view it.

But that's my point exactly, again not flaming... just discussing.

You want to be in 0.0 to mine, do missions and explorations. Completely negating the fact that 0.0 is something you have to conquer and defend. You can mine there because others killed off the previous owners a long time ago and put big defenses in place, day in day out. POSes, stations, alliances, assets, roaming gangs, defense gangs, tactics, preparation, war assets.

Day in day out, being able to occupy 0.0 is the result of hard labour and PVP. Hundreds of people put in the effort to secure the space, politics, more assets, logistics, MORE logistics, even MORE logistics!!! And here you come with your mission/exploration Raven and Hulk and go "hi, can I join please?".

So; to to get into a group of playrs who do things the right way you have to offer them something, and that something invariably is PVP prowess. That and logistics, if you're a logistics buff who can setup, maintain and control the amazingly huge amount of logstics needed then you earned your spot. Otherwise they'll want you to be able to hold a gun and kill people.

Missionrunning, mining and anything related is for alts of the people who contribute. Again, this might sound harsh but it's not (or I try not to be). The gamerules are harsh, I'm just trying to explain them to you.

Originally posted by Soraellion

But that's my point exactly, again not flaming... just discussing.

You want to be in 0.0 to mine, do missions and explorations. Completely negating the fact that 0.0 is something you have to conquer and defend. You can mine there because others killed off the previous owners a long time ago and put big defenses in place, day in day out. POSes, stations, alliances, assets, roaming gangs, defense gangs, tactics, preparation, war assets.

Day in day out, being able to occupy 0.0 is the result of hard labour and PVP. Hundreds of people put in the effort to secure the space, politics, more assets, logistics, MORE logistics, even MORE logistics!!! And here you come with your mission/exploration Raven and Hulk and go "hi, can I join please?".

So; to to get into a group of playrs who do things the right way you have to offer them something, and that something invariably is PVP prowess. That and logistics, if you're a logistics buff who can setup, maintain and control the amazingly huge amount of logstics needed then you earned your spot. Otherwise they'll want you to be able to hold a gun and kill people.

Missionrunning, mining and anything related is for alts of the people who contribute. Again, this might sound harsh but it's not (or I try not to be). The gamerules are harsh, I'm just trying to explain them to you.

I understand and I respect that. But I am pretty sure people flying Hulks with t2 mining crystals are just as valuable ( in an economic and industrial stand point ) to build the required ammunition and modules for the pvp players. I dont see where anyone could get off saying one is better than the other? I see a 50/50 mutual gain here. And if someone is interested in joining and has a Hulk with t2 mining lasers and is interested in helping the corp every night if possible. I mean I would think they would seize such a person? I am trying to say that in the most non-self centered way possible. But its just like employment, if you see someone applying for the job and you, the employer notice this person is as motivated and wants to give more than recieve.. I mean common sense? Lol

(And to add to my first reply because I edited after you responded)

And to further add.. The only reason I stated the instances where they told me they had Arknor and Bistot was because they offered it. I did not ever say I demand it or I would not join. I found out prior to my interest in joining them. But when you ask them "Hey do you guys have arknor or bistot or anything like that out there?"...... "Yeah we got tons." ..... "Cool thats great.." Yet they fail to elaborate. I understand I never asked them to elaborate but I would think it would be common sense to kind of include the fact that it might be impossible for a single person to mine alone. I am simply stating they provide mis-leaing information in order to gain members.Or they just dont include information* at all. And heres a real life example. I was reading an article where some kid had a checking account with Bank Of America and they told him about their program that takes the change from each dollar amount that you charge on your debit card and transfers it to your savings account. Yet they fail to mention that this could cause massive account over drafts. They also fail to mention they do not posess the intelligence to setup the program to not transfer the change if its going to over draft someones account. That is mis-leading and I think should be considered a criminal offense. Because they know what will eventually happen due to their lack of eleboration on a service they are offering. I mean you could turn around and easily say well its the person responsibility to keep up with that. Well what about the banks responsibility? Its time to start holding Corporation in and out of game at a higher standard and stop putting stress on their customers rather then them selves. Anyway thats just how I view it.

I mean if someone has an interest to join and offers a great service without demanding compensation. You would think that would be enough lol.  Ive gotta pull a little nerd out real quick and dare to say eve online politics remind me of cybernation politics. If anyone knows of  that browser based game..

Your assumption is flawed, because there's lots of people who want to make money, but less people who want to 'waste' time PVPing and thus not make cash or even lose it (at a vast rate). Getting leechers is not difficult. Therefore IF you want to be part of a viable 0.0 alliance you have to a PVPer, PVE stuff they can get easily or is done by alts. That's just how it is, you seeing it differently doesn't change that :)

I'm serious here; if you want to be part of a proper team (long term) then I'd urge you to rethink your chosen path and look towards being PVP viable. Mind you this doesn't neccesarily have to be shooting someone in the face. If you can fly a Falcon or Covert ops frigate you still contribute a whole lot (you'll do your part) to the whole 'war effort'.

So if you switch your training and in 2-3 months you can make a post on the recruitment forums going "Falcon/covert ops pilot looking for PVP alliance, I put in the effort to learn as much as possible but I'm still a bit of a newb, but I learn quickly" You'll get enough offers. Most will be crap, some will be good and over time you become better and possibly move to a better corp/alliance. In the mean time (if your Falcon/covops isn't needed) you can do your PVE stuff KNOWING that you earned it.

Stating "I fly a Raven and Hulk" won't get you anywhere, or at least not in the better groups (which is what your initial complaint is). Trust me :)

Now thats not to say people dont seize people like that. The problem resides in the fact that these corporations want these players because theres not a lot of industrial/ miners inless they are alts of someone that is pvp in an alliance already.  And due to that fact they provide mis-leading or they do not elaborate on questions or they just damn right dont include information. Thats all im saying lol. Some it up in one sentence "Corps provide misleading information or dont provide information at all to gain members." 

Originally posted by Soraellion

Your assumption is flawed, because there's lots of people who want to make money, but less people who want to 'waste' time PVPing and thus not make cash or even lose it (at a vast rate). Getting leechers is not difficult. Therefore IF you want to be part of a viable 0.0 alliance you have to a PVPer, PVE stuff they can get easily or is done by alts. That's just how it is, you seeing it differently doesn't change that :)

I'm serious here; if you want to be part of a proper team (long term) then I'd urge you to rethink your chosen path and look towards being PVP viable. Mind you this doesn't neccesarily have to be shooting someone in the face. If you can fly a Falcon or Covert ops frigate you still contribute a whole lot (you'll do your part) to the whole 'war effort'.

So if you switch your training and in 2-3 months you can make a post on the recruitment forums going "Falcon/covert ops pilot looking for PVP alliance, I put in the effort to learn as much as possible but I'm still a bit of a newb, but I learn quickly" You'll get enough offers. Most will be crap, some will be good and over time you become better and possibly move to a better corp/alliance. In the mean time (if your Falcon/covops isn't needed) you can do your PVE stuff KNOWING that you earned it.

Stating "I fly a Raven and Hulk" won't get you anywhere, or at least not in the better groups (which is what your initial complaint is). Trust me :)

 

Well I am willing to admit maybe my view is flawed in the eyes of Eve-online but unfortnutally it wont change and perhaps your correct.  But I am not a leecher lol. SImply stating that I would be willing to give a service for no compensation is not leeching .  Ive never been much of a fan of pvp because the PVE scene dosn't get anywher