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• • Anyone lose a lot of money trying to get a loot card?

  • Originally posted by Sharkypal
    

    Originally posted by Obraik
    

    Originally posted by Sharkypal
    

    Originally posted by Obraik
    

    Originally posted by Sharkypal
    

      Why would anyone not want players to know these things?

    
     

    You have to wonder why Obraik et al seem so vehemently opposed to this. It defies the logic that any consumer would apply to this type of situation. He'd rather the government regulated people's right to have a credit card (based on their various predispositions) according to his previous comments 

    S

    
     

    I've told you the reason for my stance on this.  I suggest you take your own advice and read through the thread.  If all you got out of it is "credit card regulation" then it shows just how much reading you've actually done in this thread.

    
     

    Lol, no I also got that you are incapable of objective commentary when it comes to SWG. I came to this conclusion because that IS what you said concerning credit cards and it is an irrational statement. As I said, we have to agree to disagree.

    The issues have been clearly presented  to you and you continue to sail down denial (it's not just a river in Egypt).

    S

    Yes, because your opinion is the only valid one and anyone else is denial...

    No, once again, my opinion is based on my experiences with every other promotion that I've been part of day to day, not on some "blind worship of SWG"

    This has nothing to do with your one sided, incontravertibly biased "experiences". This has to do with facts and definitions that are not open to your interpretations.

    It fits the definition of gambling and lottery (although these are apparently different in NZ)

    Your opinons are based on the "blind worship of SWG" son, you are the essence of unobjective commentary.

    There is nothing left to say, except that based on all the available facts, you are wrong.

    Regards,

    S

    It's not fact, it's your perception of the TCG. 

    I can assure you that no, my argument has little do with any SWG influence ;)   Once again, since you've failed to read it countless times now, my opinion is based on how I see every other promotion done by every other company.

  • Posted: 12/01/08 4:20 PM
    Star Wars Galaxies
• • Anyone lose a lot of money trying to get a loot card?

  • Originally posted by Sharkypal
    

    Originally posted by Obraik
    

    Originally posted by Sharkypal
    

      Why would anyone not want players to know these things?

    
     

    You have to wonder why Obraik et al seem so vehemently opposed to this. It defies the logic that any consumer would apply to this type of situation. He'd rather the government regulated people's right to have a credit card (based on their various predispositions) according to his previous comments 

    S

    
     

    I've told you the reason for my stance on this.  I suggest you take your own advice and read through the thread.  If all you got out of it is "credit card regulation" then it shows just how much reading you've actually done in this thread.

    
     

    Lol, no I also got that you are incapable of objective commentary when it comes to SWG. I came to this conclusion because that IS what you said concerning credit cards and it is an irrational statement. As I said, we have to agree to disagree.

    The issues have been clearly presented  to you and you continue to sail down denial (it's not just a river in Egypt).

    S

    Yes, because your opinion is the only valid one and anyone else is denial...

    No, once again, my opinion is based on my experiences with every other promotion that I've been part of day to day, not on some "blind worship of SWG"

  • Posted: 12/01/08 2:37 PM
    Star Wars Galaxies
• • Anyone lose a lot of money trying to get a loot card?

  • Originally posted by Sharkypal
    

      Why would anyone not want players to know these things?

    
     

    You have to wonder why Obraik et al seem so vehemently opposed to this. It defies the logic that any consumer would apply to this type of situation. He'd rather the government regulated people's right to have a credit card (based on their various predispositions) according to his previous comments 

    S

    
     

    I've told you the reason for my stance on this.  I suggest you take your own advice and read through the thread.  If all you got out of it is "credit card regulation" then it shows just how much reading you've actually done in this thread.

  • Posted: 12/01/08 3:53 AM
    Star Wars Galaxies
• • Anyone lose a lot of money trying to get a loot card?

  • Originally posted by Sharkypal
    

    Originally posted by Obraik
    

    Originally posted by Sharkypal
    

    Originally posted by Obraik
    

    Originally posted by Sharkypal
    

    Originally posted by ArcAngel3
    

    Originally posted by razgar
    

     Yes lets blame the game for some idiot with a gambling problem wasting his cash to get a certain card.

    While we're at it, lets blame the casinos for not letting everyone who enters win the jackpot.

    
     

    And why are people with gambling problems losing their money to an MMO?  As Sharky has rightly pointed out, this isn't advertised or regulated as gambling...and yet people with gambling problems are losing all their cash.  See the problem yet?

    
     

    As much as I have defended the game, it really burns my a$$ when people just don't see sense. What some people here FAIL to realise is that you can still LIKE the game, while understanding that the Crappy Card Scam (which has nothing to do with SWG) is nothing more than an unethical, immoral rip-off..

    This issue needs to be addressed and SOE needs to be pulled up on it by the relevant authorities. If they want to run a lottery, that's fine. Let them be regulated by the relevant bodies.

    And spare me this "They give away 5 cards free" BS. That is a clear attempt to circumvent the system and one that would be shredded by a $20.00 an hour attorney, let alone a $400.00 an hour one.

    The TCG targets and exploits gamblers. It is obvious. And for those using Casinos as a comparison point, Im guessing you havent spent much time in Vegas. Even if you aren't playing, you are getting free drinks, food etc. If you are spending big money you get rooms, spa treatments, show tickets etc. You only receive your 5 "free" cards with a PAID subscription, so in reality, they are not free at all. 

    Casinos are legislated, legalized gambling, the Crappy Card Scam is not.

    S

    I don't see why these discussions on the same thing can'tjust stay in the same thread so stuff doesn't need to be re-said over and over...

    As I said in the other thread (and others before it), you can call it gambling all you want, it doesn't make it true.  As I've said, the loot cards are like promotion rewards done by every other major company.

    
     

    Actually, by definition in the US and Canada, it is gambling. So you can keep spewing your pro SOE misinformation and Ill stick with the facts. Just because you've "said it" doesn't make it true. The gambling/lottery laws on the subject are iron clad.

    S

    The argument in this thread has little to do with being "pro-SOE" and everything to do with common sense.  If you can't control your spending and go max out your credit card and "lose" alot of money buying Booster packs in an attempt to get a loot card then you should not have a Credit Card. 

    At this point I think this disagreement is due to a cultural difference.  By New Zealand standards, and therefore my standards, this would in no way be considered "gambling" and is seen as just another promotion done by a company for buying their product.

    
     

    Oh, so the definition of gambling is different in NZ. Thanks for clearing that up for us.

    So people who are prone to gambling should not be allowed to posess Credit cards? Do you even read the stuff you write?

    Conversely, Is it possible that MAYBE SOE shouldn't be allowed to break countless state and provincial gambling laws in pursuit of the dollar?

    SOE could be slaughtering kittens and you'd have some way to rationalise it.

    Agree to disagree.

    S

     

    If you can't keep control of your spending habbits then no, you shouldn't have a credit card, gambling or otherwise.  I'm sure gambling rules here are mostly the same here in NZ as in the US - the TCG wouldn't be considered gambling though ;)

    I'm sure if SOE had been breaking any laws action would have already been taken, especially considering it's existed in EQ2 for a year and a half now.

  • Posted: 11/30/08 7:18 PM
    Star Wars Galaxies
• • Anyone lose a lot of money trying to get a loot card?

  • Originally posted by Sharkypal
    

    Originally posted by Obraik
    

    Originally posted by Sharkypal
    

    Originally posted by ArcAngel3
    

    Originally posted by razgar
    

     Yes lets blame the game for some idiot with a gambling problem wasting his cash to get a certain card.

    While we're at it, lets blame the casinos for not letting everyone who enters win the jackpot.

    
     

    And why are people with gambling problems losing their money to an MMO?  As Sharky has rightly pointed out, this isn't advertised or regulated as gambling...and yet people with gambling problems are losing all their cash.  See the problem yet?

    
     

    As much as I have defended the game, it really burns my a$$ when people just don't see sense. What some people here FAIL to realise is that you can still LIKE the game, while understanding that the Crappy Card Scam (which has nothing to do with SWG) is nothing more than an unethical, immoral rip-off..

    This issue needs to be addressed and SOE needs to be pulled up on it by the relevant authorities. If they want to run a lottery, that's fine. Let them be regulated by the relevant bodies.

    And spare me this "They give away 5 cards free" BS. That is a clear attempt to circumvent the system and one that would be shredded by a $20.00 an hour attorney, let alone a $400.00 an hour one.

    The TCG targets and exploits gamblers. It is obvious. And for those using Casinos as a comparison point, Im guessing you havent spent much time in Vegas. Even if you aren't playing, you are getting free drinks, food etc. If you are spending big money you get rooms, spa treatments, show tickets etc. You only receive your 5 "free" cards with a PAID subscription, so in reality, they are not free at all. 

    Casinos are legislated, legalized gambling, the Crappy Card Scam is not.

    S

    I don't see why these discussions on the same thing can'tjust stay in the same thread so stuff doesn't need to be re-said over and over...

    As I said in the other thread (and others before it), you can call it gambling all you want, it doesn't make it true.  As I've said, the loot cards are like promotion rewards done by every other major company.

    
     

    Actually, by definition in the US and Canada, it is gambling. So you can keep spewing your pro SOE misinformation and Ill stick with the facts. Just because you've "said it" doesn't make it true. The gambling/lottery laws on the subject are iron clad.

    S

    The argument in this thread has little to do with being "pro-SOE" and everything to do with common sense.  If you can't control your spending and go max out your credit card and "lose" alot of money buying Booster packs in an attempt to get a loot card then you should not have a Credit Card. 

    At this point I think this disagreement is due to a cultural difference.  By New Zealand standards, and therefore my standards, this would in no way be considered "gambling" and is seen as just another promotion done by a company for buying their product.

  • Posted: 11/30/08 6:33 PM
    Star Wars Galaxies