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• • Accommodating Solo'ers is helping ruin MMO's

  • Originally posted by Sovrath
    

    Originally posted by Sourajit
    

    Originally posted by Sovrath
    

    Originally posted by Sourajit
    

    Originally posted by nariusseldon
    

    Originally posted by Sourajit
    
    

    Soloing should be made impossible in an mmo when it comes to killing monsters. Mmo is not about soloing and those who solo Mmos i think they are unaware of stand alone PC games.

     

    That is SILLY and i am glad that no developer will listen to this drivel.

     

    Geez!

    And go on making tries on making Mmos throughout their lives .

    
     

    The problem is Sourajit, that you are just wrong simply by the fact that people do it. It's beyond the pale to think that people who solo "don't know" about solo  pc games.

    Essentiall what it comes down to is that the reasons that people solo are so beyond you guys you can't understand it. We do it. And it boggles your mind. You can't put two and two together. So make as many declarations as you would like.

    We will still do the solo content we want, we will group when we want and you "soloing = the devil", "I can't understand the concept so let's burn it at the stake as a witch" guys will just look on dumbfounded coming up with all sorts of inane ideas as to why people do it.

    Let's see, what other inane things can we come up with? How about "People who play online video games can't make real relationships so they have to turn to faceless people who they can only relate to in a game". "People who need to group can't make friends and feel the need for forced interaction".

    See? All inane because that's not necessarily true.

     

     

    HeHe!
    Intelligence or thinking beyond will just make me put a bot in the gaming playfield rather than soloing stuff. My other computer can just log in 24 hours in a game and make me game gold. This is what your idea of soloing makes an intelligent mind possible to do in a gaming playfield, on the contrtary i would definitely like a solo boss for each level you get, where bots will not help and if someone bots then the bot is stuck at that level. This eventually will have enough intellingence proving domain for people who wanna go beyond in a gaming world.I have nothing else to tell.

    
    Who says Mmo is about face less people?  May be Mmo is only a platform where you meet people and depending on their behaviour remember or forget them. Over this ten years of Mmo gaming i had many friends visiting me and my family and i have also gone to visit them in reality. If you are talking of solo content oriented games, I am sorry to say, i have never made friends there and always been a selfish gamer who could over-write the game through a few bots but then again never found a friend.

    I would still go with forced grouping as this in-turn will teach kids to be good and respectful in communication and we have a didactic side of gaming also.

    
     

    I don't think you understood my point. I am saying that one could easily say that they are faceless people or that people who play online games are maladjusted or can't interact with society but that is not necessarily true.

    Just like people who solo are maladusted and lone wolf mavericks who want everything their own way. Not necessarily true. There is more than one way to enjoy online games and to be social. Grouping is just one way.

     

    I would still debate with a single point that solo enjoyment should be limited to PC games and solo enjoyers if any, Please feel free to play PC games like Crysis, the content is rightly made for you. Mmo world should be only given a passport to groupers and team gamers who would know how to accomodate and play along others. Mmo should be made like 'Hide And Seek', you just cannot solo play it.

  • Posted: 11/06/08 2:40 PM
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• • Accommodating Solo'ers is helping ruin MMO's

  • Originally posted by valkerus
    

    First off after reading this thread and any other that equates to sandbox or group over solo blah blah. People need to learn the difference between "difficult" and "time sink".  EQ is not a difficult game, nor is WoW nor is any mmo. EQ is a bigger timesink than WoW. Me pulling at an orc camp in WoW and leveling is not easier than me getting a group and pulling them in EQ. I mean is it really difficult to grind in a group? If you mean waiting for replacements, med time, afk's etc. That is not difficult, that is a timesink. 

    To the person who said earlier that soloing dumbed down ai was just boring i have a question. Do you seriously believe that EQ ai is more advanced that WoW's ai? seriously?

    I prefer both types of playstyle and will personally gravitate away from any game that forces any type of playstyle. Getting rid of many mundane acts that cause downtime has done nothing but help MMO's. Am i the only guy that remembers "pull and go make a samwich" came from EQ? Boring stuff.  I also agree that WoW took it too far by allowing epics for an easy scenario grind. I still think loot should go raiders, dungeons grinders, quest grinders-solo. In that order from best to worst. PVP gear should only be useable in flagged encounters, scenarios or arenas (wow).

     

    But i also agree with the poster that said solo or casual friendly play has only helped advance the genre. There are no doubting the jump in overall interest and subs from late 90's to present. More money=more innovation. Even if its slow.

     

    True there, not much of any scope for botting in those games.

  • Posted: 11/06/08 2:26 PM
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• • Accommodating Solo'ers is helping ruin MMO's

  • Originally posted by Sovrath
    

    Originally posted by Sourajit
    

    Originally posted by nariusseldon
    

    Originally posted by Sourajit
    
    

    Soloing should be made impossible in an mmo when it comes to killing monsters. Mmo is not about soloing and those who solo Mmos i think they are unaware of stand alone PC games.

     

    That is SILLY and i am glad that no developer will listen to this drivel.

     

    Geez!

    And go on making tries on making Mmos throughout their lives .

    
     

    The problem is Sourajit, that you are just wrong simply by the fact that people do it. It's beyond the pale to think that people who solo "don't know" about solo  pc games.

    Essentiall what it comes down to is that the reasons that people solo are so beyond you guys you can't understand it. We do it. And it boggles your mind. You can't put two and two together. So make as many declarations as you would like.

    We will still do the solo content we want, we will group when we want and you "soloing = the devil", "I can't understand the concept so let's burn it at the stake as a witch" guys will just look on dumbfounded coming up with all sorts of inane ideas as to why people do it.

    Let's see, what other inane things can we come up with? How about "People who play online video games can't make real relationships so they have to turn to faceless people who they can only relate to in a game". "People who need to group can't make friends and feel the need for forced interaction".

    See? All inane because that's not necessarily true.

     

     

    HeHe!
    Intelligence or thinking beyond will just make me put a bot in the gaming playfield rather than soloing stuff. My other computer can just log in 24 hours in a game and make me game gold. This is what your idea of soloing makes an intelligent mind possible to do in a gaming playfield, on the contrtary i would definitely like a solo boss for each level you get, where bots will not help and if someone bots then the bot is stuck at that level. This eventually will have enough intellingence proving domain for people who wanna go beyond in a gaming world.I have nothing else to tell.

    
    Who says Mmo is about face less people?  May be Mmo is only a platform where you meet people and depending on their behaviour remember or forget them. Over this ten years of Mmo gaming i had many friends visiting me and my family and i have also gone to visit them in reality. If you are talking of solo content oriented games, I am sorry to say, i have never made friends there and always been a selfish gamer who could over-write the game through a few bots but then again never found a friend.

    I would still go with forced grouping as this in-turn will teach kids to be good and respectful in communication and we have a didactic side of gaming also.

  • Posted: 11/06/08 11:47 AM
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• • Accommodating Solo'ers is helping ruin MMO's

  • Originally posted by Sovrath
    

    Originally posted by Zayne3145
    

    Originally posted by nariusseldon
    

    Originally posted by Sourajit
    
    

    Soloing should be made impossible in an mmo when it comes to killing monsters. Mmo is not about soloing and those who solo Mmos i think they are unaware of stand alone PC games.

     

    That is SILLY and i am glad that no developer will listen to this drivel.

     

    Agreed.

    Why should you dictate what people should do simply because you like/dislike a certain playstyle?

    I like to group and solo. Sometimes I want to go out and adventure on my own, and sometimes I want to group up with a bunch of friends/strangers to accomplish something of greater difficult.y. There is no reason why you can't have the best of both worlds.

    
     

    It's as if these guys feel that being dictatorial is a good thing.

    Remember, the guy who posted the original post is the same guy who posted his 95 theses of contention as to why mmo's aren't for you if you don't meet his criteria... so go do something else. Then he comes here and says that people who solo are all about dictating what they want.

    The only one I see dictating any behavior is the OP.

    well you know what guys? Soloing is not about to go away. So you can either learn to live with it, gather your friends and play the way you want (which is what you should be doing in the first place) or move on to games that have more forced grouping or just not play anymore.

    I'm sorry it's come down to this but you are simply not going to get your way. There are just different types of people out there. I know! crazy huh! And here you thought that everyone was exactly like you!

    
    Hmm, I am not against soloing. But you solo a lot in crafting and delivery quest and may be into selling stuff to a player at a different part of the gaming playfield.
    But if there are these solo options then I have seen that the game's playfield becomes infested with bots. Moreover people who are not that social or with linguistic skills say that it is a grind game and just stop playing it.
    Going by the different dependent professions of Anarchy Online, I have seen that game has solo content but solo content is not bot infested. So I would like to see games more with the multiplayer part. This in my opinion reduces any chance of boting and also makes the game almost like a place where you log back in and find friends and have a great time.
    I remember my days in Anarchy Online playing a Healer or other professions. While I was always asked to play the healer for the team but I was usually able to play my other Professions in as soon as the team gets a new good healer.
    Taking the community into consideration, I have found that because Anarchy Online is a game where soloing won’t help, People usually use sweet words and no one dare to be rude or indifferent in the ongoing chat box.
    I still am with the idea that if I wanna solo I go for stand alone PC games as they are better solo content compared to any Mmo out. But then again I am addicted to Mmos because I like the fun part of gaming together and playing as a team and trying the hardest levels and thus having the interest to play along. I still think most free to play games I have left besides Anarchy Online first part was because grinding alone with an infinite number of monsters is not the thing I would like to do.

    Well kids will definitely like to post there pictures of soloing bosses and stuff but that do not show intelligence but shows one thing that "YOU ARE A KID" and you had never been doing any hard stuff in reality besides this game monster solo killing.

    There is a poem for all soloers out there......

    YOU SOLO I BOT

    YOU PLAY , YOUR BACK I GOT.

  • Posted: 11/06/08 11:38 AM
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• • Accommodating Solo'ers is helping ruin MMO's

  • Originally posted by nariusseldon
    

    Originally posted by Sourajit
    
    

    Soloing should be made impossible in an mmo when it comes to killing monsters. Mmo is not about soloing and those who solo Mmos i think they are unaware of stand alone PC games.

     

    That is SILLY and i am glad that no developer will listen to this drivel.

     

    Geez!

    And go on making tries on making Mmos throughout their lives .

  • Posted: 11/05/08 6:26 PM
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