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• • Federal Ban on Gay Marriage?

  • Originally posted by Dekron
    

    Originally posted by Sharajat
    

    Originally posted by Dekron 

    It's not a fallacy when it has already happened in other parts of the world. That doesn't apply to this argument. Nice try.

    So polygamy, zoophilia and pedophilia have been swept up into marriage in other parts of the world?  Following from legalizing gay marriage? 

    Not from legalizing gay marriage, but that are allowable. Norway has, however, legalized polygamy after they legalized gay marriage. Polygamy is allowable in numerous countries, it is allowable to marry an animal in India and Sudan, for example, and many countries in the Middle East allow pedophilia.

    I think those laws all passed once divorce was legalized.  So, the only thing you have to blame those laws on is straight people.

  • Posted: 10/24/08 6:42 PM
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• • Federal Ban on Gay Marriage?

  • Originally posted by Dekron
    

    Originally posted by Eckobah
    

    We must give rights to those who have them. Those who pass laws forbidding gay marriage are just letting the religious set policy for them.

    As I have said previously, I am neither against, nor for gay marriage. I do not care either way. But, is there not a line to be drawn somewhere? Someone already posted that once marriage is "redefined" it will be done so again and again for every group who wants to push the bounds. Mormons will push for polygamy. Muslims will push for marrying children. Zoophiliacs will want to marry an animal.

    Where does it end?

    Where does using the government to define something end?  I would rather see a polygamist camp outside my window than have the government using its guns to force people to live a certain way.

    Why the fear of freedom and self-determination?  Why does it appeal to you to try to force yourself on others lives?

  • Posted: 10/24/08 6:39 PM
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• • Federal Ban on Gay Marriage?

  • Originally posted by altairzq
    

    Originally posted by Gorair
    

    Whats someone beleives isnt the case here , its can a same sex husband /wife get same tax breaks , pass on debt inheritance etc, nothing else. Nothing about any chruch / pastor / priest etc doing anything other than what their church mandates.

    This is exactly it. We have already gone through this in Spain, where gay marriage is now legal and accepted by everyone (except the fascists) and it's clearly nothing religious, like is not religious abortion or divorce. It's to assure that everyone has the same CIVIL rights.

    Religious people can have their believes and act accordingly, but the civil society has to move on.

    So, our land of the free has become a land of the church?  And I'm sure even though gay people can get married and recognized in your country the gates of hell have not swallowed you up?  We in America should look to you as an example of how stupid some people here are acting with their radical government intervention and bigotry.  Bravo to Spain!

  • Posted: 10/24/08 6:37 PM
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• • Federal Ban on Gay Marriage?

  • Originally posted by bluberryhaze
    

     i want to smoke in bars.

    eat transfats

    and talk while driving...

     

    Then quit voting Republican and choose some real Conservatives.  The one that want to get government out of our lives.  That includes our private lives.

  • Posted: 10/24/08 6:33 PM
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• • Federal Ban on Gay Marriage?

  • Originally posted by Dracus
    

    Originally posted by War_Eagle
    

    "Polygamy is marriage between consenting adults. So who are you to tell them what to do? If their religion says it's okay and they are adults and choose to live that way then more power to them."

    Now you do see this "progression" correct?  First Same-Sex Marriages, then Polygamy, then onto Underage marriages or adults with minors.  In the western olden years this was acceptable, and is still acceptable in some cultures and religions.  Who are you to say, that with the acceptance of Same-Sex Marriages and Polygamy, that such other marriages cannot be allowed?  Because these people are not Adults?  The age of adulthood has been redefined by our laws, and can be done, or exceptions to be made.  The Drinking Age in some states were at 14, until the highway fundings had restrictions.  The Age for Marriage can be defined in any state.
    

    Just because it is only of "adults" will not mean that will be as such forever.

    So who am I to tell others, to enforce my will onto others?  I am an American with a belief and opinion.  If there are a majority of us who agree to such principles, then it can become the law of the land.  I have as much right as you or as well as other opposition.  I consider it disrespectful for marriage to be redefined, just as you consider me disrespectful for denying it onto another group. 

    So who is legally right, or who is morally right?  Impossible to say when both believe to be right.

     

    "You want to really settle this, then get the government out of recognizing select marriages. If it's such a religious issue then stop all of the marriage benefits that are given. Get rid of this automatic recognition of legal rights for married couples and make everyone individually equal. Why should married couples get more tax benefits and legal rights over non-married or unrecognized marriages anyway? It's all a way for the government to bully people and for you to use the government as a tool of manipulation."

    Tell me, do you play empire building games?  Those types of games in which you, as the acting leader seek to grow your nation, be it by military, economics, diplomacy and such?  That may help out if you have not done so.  One of the goals of a nation is to have its population grow and be happy.  Such governmental items placed on marriage or unions are for incentives for the population to grow.
    

    Now if you like, we can take away those benefits and incentives as you stated, and we can then become like Russia, with negative population growth.  Ever occurred to you that some nations in our modern world are actually dying, fading out of history due to negative population trends, with war and hunger not being the causes?

    Actually, you see the progression wrong.  Polygamy used to be okay in America.  It wasn't an issue that came on the federal governments or state governments radar, because it basically didn't matter to anyone.  Then came along taxation and the invention of tax benefits for certain groups.  Then suddenly it was something that needed to be banned when people began to realize how they could use the power of the government to manipulate other Americans.

    So, the truth of the matter is, polygamy was okay first.  Just like it was in the Bible.

    And you can talk about the "majority matters" b.s. all you want, but the fact of the matter is that if you lived in a democracy you'd hate it.  So I would watch what you're saying about our representative republic.  We are not a democracy that runs on mob rules mentality.  We are a nation that promises equal justice and rights to ALL, regardles of whether you are a minority or majority.  You would be wise to respect that protection or it might rear its ugly head against you someday.

    And I don't give a damn about your empire building games.  America is a strong nation in its promise of freedom alone.  I could give a shit about the economy or whatever is going  on, but when someone starts f*cking with the founding documents of this country I get a little pissed off.  The same way I get pissed off when I see someone messing with the rights and freedoms of another American, whether I agree with them or not, I still feel they have the right to live free from an oppressive government and self-rightous majority!

  • Posted: 10/24/08 6:32 PM
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