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• • EverQuest II: Races of EQII: The Bad

  • Originally posted by Daffid011
    

    Actually SOE keeps up a pretty decent ad campaign for EQ2 in magazines and such.  Especially right around expansion time.  They have adds on some of the major WoW sites right now like wowhead.com, etc.

     

     

     

    print advertising is the weakest form of advertising, especially in publications already devoted to gamers as most readers of such magazines play their own favorite game and aren't likely to want to switch. (my wife is a print advertising executive) WoW advertises in print, tv and even radio spots all over the world. SOEs ad campaign deosn't hold a candle to Blizzrd.  Everquest 2 is a failed product, unable to hold it's player base. I say for certain, but I would be willing to bet that without the profit that comes from LoN, EQ2 would be in the red. Bandwidth required  for RPG games cost a huge amount of coin. 100K subscribers at $15 a month might not be enough to pay for bandwidth, infrastructure and employee payroll. I know some players pay $30 a month so their might be a smallish amount of profit right  now...

    Keep this in mind, in the past SOE has banned accounts that found and used an exploit that involved the in game economy. They found 10,000+ accounts that had used the exploit in the new expansion, and no one get perma banned..because they couldn't aford to lose that many more accounts...

  • Posted: 11/23/08 1:45 PM
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• • EverQuest II: Races of EQII: The Bad

  • Originally posted by Daffid011
    

    Originally posted by syllvenwood
    

    Maybe complex isnt the right word, EQ2 is more in depth than wow, its liek comparing CSI to bill & Mandy. EQ2 has more detail to it in characters and what you can do. WoW is basically mmo for beginners, or as i like to call it, fischer price: my 1st rpg.

     

    And i love the wowkids who keep parroting the sub numbers and expansions sold numbers who dont even realize that almost half are asian accounts and almost all of those accounts are multi accounts with some people haveing as many as 5 or 6. Not to mention Alot of Americans also have more than 1 account. I really wish they would release the number of unique subscribers, you would prob see the number drop by half

    
    All games have people with multiple accounts and people from other countries I don't see the relevance? It isn't like every other game has a 1:1 ratio of players to subscriptions and it isn't as if any other game releases their subscription numbers to be discussed so openly is it?  

     

    As for EQ2 being more "mature", how exactly is that?  I understand you want to paint WoW as fischer price and some nickelodean kids show, but does tearing down WoW with generalizing  really make EQ2 a "steak and glass of wine" game?   It is uncanny how many EQ2 posts have their foundations based on beating up WoW as if it somehow makes EQ2 shine. 

    I didn't get the answer I was hoping for, but I got the one I was expecting so thanks I guess.

     

    Not only that, but who cares if EQ2 is more "mature" (which it's not, there are many annoying, pimpled face geeky teenaged boys that play)? The point of my post is this. Advertising is the key to success of ANY product. PERIOD very few if anything ever made or sold was successful without it. SOE pulled the plug on their EQ2 advertising years ago, and since then the games population has dropped 75%. Now teh stock market has lost roughly half of it's value. Sony (SOE's Parent, you remember them) is a publicly traded company in the same stock market. Sometime in the not so distant future, Sony is going to look for ways to cut costs to try to offset the loss of their companies worth. When they get to SOE and find a product that has lost 3/4 of it's profit in a little over 2 years they may get rid of it . If that happens what are you SOE fanboys and bootlickers going to do? As a business man, I see this as a real possibility. 

  • Posted: 11/23/08 10:31 AM
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• • EverQuest II: Races of EQII: The Bad

  • Originally posted by syllvenwood
    

    Maybe complex isnt the right word, EQ2 is more in depth than wow, its liek comparing CSI to bill & Mandy. EQ2 has more detail to it in characters and what you can do. WoW is basically mmo for beginners, or as i like to call it, fischer price: my 1st rpg.

     

    And i love the wowkids who keep parroting the sub numbers and expansions sold numbers who dont even realize that almost half are asian accounts and almost all of those accounts are multi accounts with some people haveing as many as 5 or 6. Not to mention Alot of Americans also have more than 1 account. I really wish they would release the number of unique subscribers, you would prob see the number drop by half

     

    Well first, I am not a WoW kid. Not only am I probably old enough to be your father, I don't play WoW. I have tried it but didn't like it. My post was made to show what kind of trouble EQ2 is in financially.

    Second off...so what? you don't think EQ2 was capable of capturing people from Asian countries? You don't think that EQ2 didn't have the potential to entice some players to have multiple accounts?

    And finally even if WoW's subs dropped by 50%, they would still have 15 times the market share EQ2 does. Thank you for making my point, I love it when people don't think about what they post before they start typing.

  • Posted: 11/23/08 10:16 AM
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• • EverQuest II: Races of EQII: The Bad

  • Originally posted by Guillermo197
    

    Originally posted by ohreally
    

    Is this the kind of crap that passes for advertising for SOE? Some editor of a magazine barfing up lame information about a 4+ year old game that everyone who has ever played this game already knows? Blizzard justhired Ozzy Osbourne and Little Steven Van Zandt to do television commercials for them. SOE gets some unheard of editor to rehash old information as if new players are going to rush right out and buy EQ2 just because he describes it in such wonderful detail??

     

    WoW sold 2.8 MILLION copies of their new expansion in less than 24 hours...Just to put that in perspective that is about 30 times the estimated number of subscriptions SOE has for the entire eq2 title. Why does SOE insist in trying to try to take market share from Blizzard by making their game a clone of WoW? Why instead don't they use some imagination and create their own game? Probably because they don't have the money to hire people with real imaginations. Instead they steal ideas from other game, use concepts from their other games (anyone remember LDoN from EQ1? well their "new" expansion is taken directly from that) and reuse old content from original EQ2 and earlier expansions. There is nothing new...tnad there hasn't been a lot new for a long time. I can only ssume that his means they have no true developers working on EQ2. it's easy to cut and paste, a monkey could do it...

    Ohreally,

    EverQuest 2 has still roughly 250k subs.  2,8 millon is not 30 times 250k to my estimated calculations.

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    Nice try but WRONG.  100k ACTIVE subscriptions is the number BUT even if there were 250K   2.8 million is the number of expansions sold in 24 hours. I am sure not every WoW player went out on release day and bought the expansion. therefore 2.8 million is an estimate. a LOW estimate...Eitehr way WoW out numbers EQ2 by a HUGE margin...you fanboys who still cling to SOE are going to get a rude awakening when Blizzard BUYS SOE because they aren't profitable. I am going to laugh my ass off.

  • Posted: 11/22/08 10:28 AM
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• • EverQuest II: Races of EQII: The Good

  • Originally posted by tastethegold
    

    Originally posted by ohreally
    

    http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/212762

     

    And now Blizzard out does SOE yet again with real advertising. Isn't it painfully obvious to you SOE fanboys that EQ2 and possibly SOE is dying? I would love to see the look on your collective little faces when you go to log in someday soon and find a big 404 error or a message saying "It was all a nightmare" now  go play in  traffic...or some crap like that....

     

    SOE is failing. their games have lost huge market share and relevance in the MMO market.  They can't compete because they have to live up to stockholder expectations of HUGE profit margins that aren't there to have. Now with the stock market crashing it's only a matter of time before Sony pulls the plug on anything that loses money for them.../wave goodbye EQ2 and possibly SOE all together. 

    blizzard cant outdo SOE on any level (certainly not quality), MAYBE on mindless f-tards playing their games.

    Really? well i think 3 million subscribers is out doing SOE in the market share level...and the profit level, and apparently at the advertising level , and possibly at the enjoyment level..but other than that SOE has them beat...

    im pretty ambivalant about SOE, seriously i have played their games and they arent great (nor are they the pile of dogshit that WOW is) there are JUST as many people who refuse to play blizzard games as there are that refuse to play SOE games. i for one would rather be associated with SOE than the tard-friendly blizzard any day.

     

    Um..really, then why does SOE have about 100K subscribers and blizzard has about 3 milion? I think you might want to re think this statement...

    pointless speculation does NOTHING but make you look un-informed. asif all the kiddies parents arent going to nix the fkn wow subs before they starve.

    I own my own IT company. My speculation is most vertainly NOT pointless. I have to watch market trends every day, it's easy to spot companies that are failing or have failing products. When SOE tanks because they cannot pay their bills, or when SONY gets the shits of funding an unprofitable busines unit they WILL pull the plug. It's easy to see from a business perspective that SOE is having financial issues, at least where EQ2 is concerned. They are spending very little money on talented developers, as is evident by their lack  of creativity. I imagine they are using the same tactic they used to develop EQ1 after EQ2 was released. They turned to interns and students to "develop" while the real experienced ones worked in EQ2. What they turned out was rehashed, old content just like what is happening right now with EQ2. They have also released a money grabbing game with LoN that costs them virtually nothing and returns some profits to make up for what EQ2 can't bring in, while side stepping their unwillingness to allow RMT on all the live servers. This is another back door profit center for them, as players purchase card decks with real money and sell them for in game coin. Something SOE is supposedly against...then why are they allowing this?

    really what you posted up there is raw idiocy, and i HATE sony more than any of you can, i have hated them forever, shit i traded 1 of the first 500 NA psx's in for a 3do they are THAT crappy to me. but its nowhere near the reality that blizzard is retard farming. that is a fact! NO hard core gamers are playing WOW, only little pansies who wish they were.

     

    And you said I was speculating? This is total bullshit. I know many WoW players that play 4-5 hours 7 nights a week. There are FAR more hard core WoW players than hard core EQ2 players...But then how could there not be? Wow players out number EQ2 players 30 to 1.

    dont post if you cant do it without looking like a total moron.

     

    Well what you look like is just another SOE boot licker fanboy who wants to control those of us who hope EQ2 dies a fairly painful death rather soon. I don't play WoW, i actually still have an EQ2 account that my wife plays because she has friends that still play.  I use to be like you, thinking SOE could do nothing wrong, but then they f*cked up the game, caved in to the hard core trade skillers and made it look and feel like a cheap WoW clone. they lost all creativity and they lost me as a customer. I got sick and tired of killing the same lame assed character models over and over, casting the same line of spells for 80 levels and the last straw was they refused to even consider giving us more character slots for free, even though we had maxed out most of our toons adventuring levels.
    

    finally, I will post when I want to, how I want to and there is not a damn thing you can do about it. If you don't like it, then don't read it. If you read it and don't like it suck it up, because I will continue to come here and bad mouth SOE every chance I get. If I can make even one person consider how much time they are wasting playing EQ2 or stop one person from buying a subscription then I have done a good deed. Nearly any other company that runs like SOE runs theirs would be out of business and probably sued by now. SOE treats their customers like turds, but since most are mindless button pushing sofa king we tards they can't see that they are taking it up the butt..
    

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

  • Posted: 11/22/08 12:00 AM
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